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    John Cook1,2,3, Dana Nuccitelli2,4, Sarah A Green5, Mark Richardson6, Bärbel Winkler2, Rob Painting2, Robert Way7, Peter Jacobs8 and Andrew Skuce2,9

    The authors, all experts in their fields, read those papers, and quantified them using defined, testable, reproducible, metrics, and published the paper in a peer reviewed journal.

    It seems reasonable to accept their conclusion, especially since you can't specify any flaws.

    This is laughable, RG.

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    I just think people should see these two psychologists for themselves. I don't give their shoddy "science" any weight.
    Okay.

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    STUDY CONFIRMS GLOBAL WARMING IS ALMOST ENTIRELY NATURAL


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    c-o-n-f-i-r-m-s

    Confirms

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    c-o-n-f-i-r-m-s

    Confirms
    Did that Monkton got ever publish his paper that was going to prove it mathematically impossible?

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    John Cook1,2,3, Dana Nuccitelli2,4, Sarah A Green5, Mark Richardson6, Bärbel Winkler2, Rob Painting2, Robert Way7, Peter Jacobs8 and Andrew Skuce2,9

    The authors, all experts in their fields, read those papers, and quantified them using defined, testable, reproducible, metrics, and published the paper in a peer reviewed journal.

    It seems reasonable to accept their conclusion, especially since you can't specify any flaws.

    I have provided evidence. You have provided 9-11 truther-grade derisive bull .
    You ing idiot.

    They do not make the same clam that the pundits say they do.

    Read the god-damn paper!

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    Convo with WC about global warming?
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    Lol




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    Lol



    Neither of those two support your position. Tamsin's whole deal is that the confusion she is referencing gives shills such as yourself the ability to confuse the issue for the common man. She finds models useful which is anathema to your dogma.

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    Tyson got served some cold cuts

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    You ing idiot.

    They do not make the same clam that the pundits say they do.

    Read the god-damn paper!
    I see you have me in the crushing grip of reason.

    Why should I read the paper? Take a breath, and use your words.

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    I see you have me in the crushing grip of reason.

    Why should I read the paper? Take a breath, and use your words.
    You are going to believe the word of a pundit, who is no better than a political operative, rather than read the actual papers...

    Wow...

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    You are going to believe the word of a pundit, who is no better than a political operative, rather than read the actual papers...

    Wow...
    He's asking you to make an argument about the paper as opposed to asking him to make your argument for him, dim.

    Please do. You've been afraid to talk actual science here for years now.

    I bet you go back to calling us stupid without explaining that either.

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    He's asking you to make an argument about the paper as opposed to asking him to make your argument for him, dim.

    Please do. You've been afraid to talk actual science here for years now.

    I bet you go back to calling us stupid without explaining that either.
    I have read and posted what those papers actually mean vs. what the pundits claim in the past.

    Instead of me cherry picking the paper, how about either of you pick one of these several papers. Find one that you like and can be linked for all of us to see, and I will tell you why the 97% isn't as advertised.

    I have shot them down before. Why must I do this again?

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    I have read and posted what those papers actually mean vs. what the pundits claim in the past.

    Instead of me cherry picking the paper, how about either of you pick one of these several papers. Find one that you like and can be linked for all of us to see, and I will tell you why the 97% isn't as advertised.

    I have shot them down before. Why must I do this again?
    We've responded to your rebuttals in the past, dim.

    You acting like you have won past arguments is laughable in light of your reputation as the village idiot.

    What I think is you are too stupid to recall the argument because your memory is . Coupled with laziness, you are not going to look up again the arguments that you are too stupid to come up with on your own.

    If you want to leave it as it is then fine. We both know what the board sentiment is towards you and your arguments, partschanger.

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    We've responded to your rebuttals in the past, dim.

    You acting like you have won past arguments is laughable in light of your reputation as the village idiot.

    What I think is you are too stupid to recall the argument because your memory is . Coupled with laziness, you are not going to look up again the arguments that you are too stupid to come up with on your own.

    If you want to leave it as it is then fine. We both know what the board sentiment is towards you and your arguments, partschanger.
    You really should stop looking in the mirror when you have a thought to reply.

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    You really should stop looking in the mirror when you have a thought to reply.
    No evidence from the coward. Typical.

    Your word is meaningless.

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    You really should stop looking in the mirror when you have a thought to reply.
    "I'm rubber, and you're glue"?

    Okaaay.

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    Climate Myth...
    Climate's changed before
    Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)
    Scientific analysis of past climates shows that greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. The evidence for that is spread throughout the geological record. This makes it clear that this time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.
    Science has a good understanding of past climate changes and their causes, and that evidence makes the human cause of modern climate change all the more clear. Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – have been implicated in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When changes were big and rapid (as they are today), the consequences for life on Earth were often dire – in some cases causing mass extinctions.
    Scientists have shown that CO2 and climate moved in lock-step throughout the Pleistocene ice ages. The ice ages were actually many pulses of cold glacial phases interspersed with warmer interglacials. These pulses had a distinct regularity caused by wobbles in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (Milankovitch cycles). When Earth’s orbit reduced the intensity of sunlight in the northern hemisphere, the Earth went into a glacial phase. When the orbital cycle brought increased the intensity of insolation in the northern hemisphere, ice sheets melted and we went into a warm interglacial. Because warmer oceans can dissolve less CO2, the CO2 levels see-sawed extremely closely with Earth’s temperature. It was a slow pace of change, taking tens to hundreds of thousands of years, and yes as the myth states, in the last million years the biggest orbit-induced cycles were every 100,000 years.

    But we know these orbital changes are not behind today's global warming. In fact our orbit dictates we should be cooling now, not warming.

    The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions.[/quote]

    https://www.skepticalscience.com/cli...termediate.htm

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    It's cooling
    "In fact global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth – quite the contrary. And this means that the projections of future climate are unreliable." (source: Henrik Svensmark)
    Empirical measurements of the Earth's heat content show the planet is still ac ulating heat and global warming is still happening. Surface temperatures can show short-term cooling when heat is exchanged between the atmosphere and the ocean, which has a much greater heat capacity than the air.
    To say we're currently experiencing global cooling overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are only one small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). Global warming is by definition global. The entire planet is ac ulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are ac ulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

    Church et al 2011 extends the analysis of Murphy 2009 which calculated the Earth's total heat content through to 2003. This new research combines measurements of ocean heat, land and atmosphere warming and ice melting to find that our climate system continued to ac ulate heat through to 2008.



    Figure 1: Total amount of heat from global warming that has ac ulated in Earth's climate system from 1962 to 2008, from Church et al. (2011). Also see this graphic that shows the ocean heating in two layers, 0-700 meters and 700-2000 meters deep.

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    Global warming stopped in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010, ????
    "January 2008 capped a 12 month period of global temperature drops on all of the major well respected indicators. HadCRUT, RSS, UAH, and GISS global temperature sets all show sharp drops in the last year" (source: Watts Up With That).
    A common claim amongst climate skeptics is that the Earth has been cooling recently. 1998 was the first year claimed by skeptics for 'Global Cooling'. Then 1995 followed by 2002. Skeptics have also emphasized the year 2007-2008 and most recently the last half of 2010.

    NASA and climate scientists throughout the world have said, however, that the years starting since 1998 have been the hottest in all recorded temperature history. Do these claims sound confusing and contradictory? Has the Earth been cooling, lately?

    To find out whether there is actually a 'cooling trend,' it is important to consider all of these claims as a whole, since they follow the same pattern. In making these claims, skeptics cherrypick short periods of time, usually about 20 years or less.

    The temperature chart below is based on information acquired from NASA heat sensing satellites. It covers a 30 year period from January 1979 to November 2010. The red curve indicates the average temperature throughout the entire Earth.

    The red line represents the average temperature. The top of the curves are warmer years caused by El Niño; a weather phenomenon where the Pacific Ocean gives out heat thus warming the Earth. The bottoms of the curves are usually La Niña years which cool the Earth. Volcanic eruptions, like Mount Pinatubo in 1991 will also cool the Earth over short time frames of 2-3 years.


    Figure 1: University of Alabama, Huntsville (UAH) temperature chart from January 1979 to November 2010. This chart is shown with no trend lines so the viewer may make his own judgment.

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    Below is the same temperature chart, showing how skeptics manipulate the data to give the impression of 'Global Cooling'. First they choose the warmest most recent year they can find. Then, in this case, they exclude 20 years of previous temperature records. Next they draw a line from the warmest year (the high peak) to the lowest La Niña they can find. In doing this they falsely give the impression that an ordinary La Niña is actually a cooling trend.


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    What do the past 30 years of temperature data really show? Below is the answer.



    Figure 3: Trend lines showing the sudden jump in temperatures in the 1995 La Niña (Green lines) and the 1998 (Pink lines) El Niño events. Brown line indicates overall increase in temperatures.

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    I have read and posted what those papers actually mean vs. what the pundits claim in the past.

    Instead of me cherry picking the paper, how about either of you pick one of these several papers. Find one that you like and can be linked for all of us to see, and I will tell you why the 97% isn't as advertised.

    I have shot them down before. Why must I do this again?


    This graphic summarises the studies into scientific consensus on human-caused global warming, that look at expert opinion of either climate scientists who have published peer-reviewed climate research, or peer-reviewed climate papers.
    Let's pick one at (HA) random.

    Verheggen 2014
    Results are presented from a survey held among 1868 scientists studying various aspects of climate change, including physical climate, climate impacts, and mitigation. The survey was unique in its size, broadness and level of detail. Consistent with other research, we found that, as the level of expertise in climate science grew, so too did the level of agreement on anthropogenic causation. 90% of respondents with more than 10 climate-related peer-reviewed publications (about half of all respondents), explicitly agreed with anthropogenic greenhouse gases (GHGs) being the dominant driver of recent global warming. The respondents’ quan ative estimate of the GHG contribution appeared to strongly depend on their judgment or knowledge of the cooling effect of aerosols. The phrasing of the IPCC attribution statement in its fourth assessment report (AR4)—providing a lower limit for the isolated GHG contribution—may have led to an underestimation of the GHG influence on recent warming. The phrasing was improved in AR5. We also report on the respondents’ views on other factors contributing to global warming; of these Land Use and Land Cover Change (LULCC) was considered the most important. Respondents who characterized human influence on climate as insignificant, reported having had the most frequent media coverage regarding their views on climate change.
    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es501998e

    Environ. Sci. Technol., 2014, 48 (16), pp 8963–8971
    DOI: 10.1021/es501998e
    Publication Date (Web): July 22, 2014
    Copyright © 2014 American Chemical Society

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