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    Apo SJax agrees with you he almost laughed out loud when he heard Gino was 99 and implied some people on the bottom 25, 75-100, wouldn't make a Big 3 roster. Then again Jax has always hated Manu. Funny how people say MVParker is a team cancer, but he doesn't have as vocal a detractor as Manu has in Jax, even Barry isn't this outspoken.
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page...-players-31-50

    LMA: 45!!!!

    Not sure what is worse. That 45 could be an accurate ranking (though I think low given his defense) or the possibility that LMA will check out after this sort of thing. (It could, I guess, galvanise him but pouting seems like an equally probable possibility).
    Given what I have see of his personality: cryptic messages in instagram and pouting is the likely result. He would be better off owning up to his decline and doing something about it. (Like TD did in 2011 or whenever it was that he looked old and done and instead he worked hard in the offseason and came back slimmer and better). TD was a special AllTime best player and LMA is not that. We shall see.

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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page...-players-51-75

    Day 2:

    Patty 67

    Danny 59


    Also, in the Patty description it mentions Tony failed to make the Top 100.
    has to be because of the injury. Because no way is Manu better than Tony

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    LMA officially on suicide watch tbh
    He's already got a bad ticker. They shouldn't shock him like that.

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    Given what I have see of his personality: cryptic messages in instagram and pouting is the likely result. He would be better off owning up to his decline and doing something about it. (Like TD did in 2011 or whenever it was that he looked old and done and instead he worked hard in the offseason and came back slimmer and better). TD was a special AllTime best player and LMA is not that. We shall see.
    Can't disagree with a word you say. TD was an alltimer. Let's hope LMA rises to the occasion.

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    has to be because of the injury. Because no way is Manu better than Tony
    I'm sure the injury was a major factor.

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    Say what you want about LaMarcus, him being behind guys like Middleton, Turner, and Crowder is straight horse . ESPN just trying to dig up controversy to give their talking heads something to talk about.

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    He's already got a bad ticker. They shouldn't shock him like that.

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    The ESPN one is always terrible. Though it appears different this year, it's usually an average based on all of their basketball "experts" opinions, which means plenty of antiquated fools weighing in. The Sports Illustrated one is much better. Two guys, both knowledgeable, well thought out and in depth.

    Of course, you could always quibble with these lists, but for the most part, more important than precise placement, is range. For example, there is no definitive order Horford, Love, Millsap and Aldridge should be placed in, but they should all be ranked close to one another.

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    Again. The nba is not best players, it is sales. There will be a day when lonzo ball is the best player in the nba, not at all based on skill. If you dont believe me, just look at his even less skilled 0 iq brother who is inked at ucla. He too will be in the nba. It bout to be unwatchable
    I've heard people say that apart from the Superstars and All-stars in the NBA, the best players don't play in the NBA. So what do you guys mean by that? Is it because there is better, more solid lower ceiling guys playing overseas? The one angle I can see to that argument is that a lot of NBA teams draft on potential and a lot of time that potential doesn't work out, so in that sense, I guess I could see that "potential" player taking up a spot of someone who might be better that is not in the NBA.

    Also, the other side of the coin, there is players that don't make in it the NBA, or are end of the bench guys and they go overseas where they play well and put up big numbers.

    So when people say this, can you guys elaborate further. I'm interested to get more opinions on this topic.

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    I've heard people say that apart from the Superstars and All-stars in the NBA, the best players don't play in the NBA. So what do you guys mean by that? Is it because there is better, more solid lower ceiling guys playing overseas? The one angle I can see to that argument is that a lot of NBA teams draft on potential and a lot of time that potential doesn't work out, so in that sense, I guess I could see that "potential" player taking up a spot of someone who might be better that is not in the NBA.

    Also, the other side of the coin, there is players that don't make in it the NBA, or are end of the bench guys and they go overseas where they play well and put up big numbers.

    So when people say this, can you guys elaborate further. I'm interested to get more opinions on this topic.
    Nah he's just wrong.

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    Nah he's just wrong.
    I dont ever remember anyone who regularly shoots airball halfcourt shots getting a d1 ride...? Aau rules the college and now nba circuit and go next level for oohhh ahh plays not skill. Its a fact and why the nba is so pathetic during this current era

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    I get all this but does ESPN think Manu is a white nationalist or some FARC member? What's their political stance? That's what we really need to know.

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    I dont ever remember anyone who regularly shoots airball halfcourt shots getting a d1 ride...? Aau rules the college and now nba circuit and go next level for oohhh ahh plays not skill. Its a fact and why the nba is so pathetic during this current era
    But if he's not good enough when he gets on the college level NBA teams won't draft that guy. There's been a ton of guys who were doing that who never made it. A lot of guys who were unknown usually comes out of nowhere and improve to be the starts sometimes (look at our star).

    I look at film from back then and I don't see them being as strong and as good as the players in the league now. Yeah some of the stars back then were better but you'll have greats in all eras. Even Charles Barkley himself said you had guys in his era that just wanted a paycheck. You have that every era. But the advanced training access and faster travel and such allows these guys to get stronger and better than they used to be. They're more talented BECAUSE people paved the way. That's just how things go. A lot of y'all want to trash today's league. But it's only because you're looking for someone extremely spectacular like how someone was able to stand out in the old days. But that just won't happen because with the advances in media the world is much smaller and it makes the players seem smaller as well. I have more but I'm gonna stop here. Just how I feel. You can have your opinion but don't just let it be filled with hating on these guys who are the best players in the world.

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    Here's 30- 11. No Spurs involved.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page...-players-11-30

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    Is DeAndre Jordan REALLY significantly better than LMA? I mean LMA's defense has improved considerably and at least LaMarcus can be on the floor in the final minutes, not a free throw joke...

    Not so much a defense of LMA as a bashing of DeAndre.

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    Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?

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    Did they put Draymond green as top 30? Are you serious? The guy is at maximum a third piece in nearly every playoff team.

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    Did they put Draymond green as top 30? Are you serious? The guy is at maximum a third piece in nearly every playoff team.
    Would you trade Aldridge for Donkey?

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    UPDATE: Day 5 (10-1)

    Kawhi: 3

    Everyday Cuck Network wasn't gonna put Kawhi top 2 or even 1 where he obviously belongs.

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    Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?
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    Everyday Cuck Network wasn't gonna put Kawhi top 2 or even 1 where he obviously belongs.
    Yep. He was pretty much considered the best 2 way player until the Finals, then the Duran/LeBron hype machine kicked in. But to the victor goes the spoils... Thanks Zaza...

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    But if he's not good enough when he gets on the college level NBA teams won't draft that guy. There's been a ton of guys who were doing that who never made it. A lot of guys who were unknown usually comes out of nowhere and improve to be the starts sometimes (look at our star).

    I look at film from back then and I don't see them being as strong and as good as the players in the league now. Yeah some of the stars back then were better but you'll have greats in all eras. Even Charles Barkley himself said you had guys in his era that just wanted a paycheck. You have that every era. But the advanced training access and faster travel and such allows these guys to get stronger and better than they used to be. They're more talented BECAUSE people paved the way. That's just how things go. A lot of y'all want to trash today's league. But it's only because you're looking for someone extremely spectacular like how someone was able to stand out in the old days. But that just won't happen because with the advances in media the world is much smaller and it makes the players seem smaller as well. I have more but I'm gonna stop here. Just how I feel. You can have your opinion but don't just let it be filled with hating on these guys who are the best players in the world.
    You have pgs in todays era who cant dribble the ball up the court being pressured, you have bigs with no post game, and rarley a sg with mid range. You have virtually every player traveling with each touch, and fouls which allow offensive players to look better than they are. These are not the best players in the world, these are players in a hyper media sales league making you and others look dumb for thinking they are the "most skilled"... your post proves this,

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    You have pgs in todays era who cant dribble the ball up the court being pressured, you have bigs with no post game, and rarley a sg with mid range. You have virtually every player traveling with each touch, and fouls which allow offensive players to look better than they are. These are not the best players in the world, these are players in a hyper media sales league making you and others look dumb for thinking they are the "most skilled"... your post proves this,
    These players would walk on any pickup court and dominate. Everybody carries the ball and travel at some point. If you don't think you do that then you're delusional. You know why you think you or non NBA players don't do that? Because you don't have a damn camera (plus slow motion camera)on you all of the time to show it. And I really think you're only thinking about Murray when he couldn't get the court up in his first game against Beverly in the playoffs. First of all he's a damn rookie against a great defender plus he's tall and hasn't learned to tighten up his drivble yet but he will learn. It's just like when football players (running backs) run too high instead of getting low. Eventually if taught properly they will learn to change it. I watched old film of Bob Cousy dribbling the ball up the damn court while looking at it the whole time and guys couldn't even take it away. You really think that would work now? Gtfoh.

    And don't talk about the post game. Players just don't grow up learning it anymore as much. The game has changed. Everybody didn't have a damn post game back then either.. Mutombo didn't. I haven't seen much film but I doubt Bill Russell had one either. A lot of guard and combo players get the ball more now. Kids grew up watching Kobe and Jordan and Lebron so that's just how they wanted to play the game. That's how eras go. And it won't change until some cool new player brings back the post game style. That's just how things go. It's common sense. Kids imitate who they idolize. The mid range has changed because the 3 ball gets you more points and it's more cool and satisfying. Simple as that.

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