If Kidd was truly the player of the year, then by your logic, Media would have voted for him. They gave MVPs to DK, Kobe and Karl Malone, so let's not pretend that off-court conduct was a factor.
Btw, naming what Duncan did that was special in 2002 is easy: he set a career high in PPG, led the league in total field goals, free throws made, total rebounds, and double-doubles. He was the anchor of one of the league's best defenses in both points and FG% allowed. He also became the 14th player in league history to put up over 2,000 points and 1,000 rebounds in a season.
ClipperNation, everything you say is stupid.
I repeat, EVERYTHING you say is stupid.
Kobe was given award in 08, 5 years after rape allegations. Thats quite different than Kidd admitting hitting his wife and the media having to vote on whether to give him the MVP the next year.
I dont know why I bother, EVERYTHING you say is stupid. I usually just ignore your posts because theyre really bad troll attempts. Now I know all I have to is simply point out that everything you say is stupid.
Your takes on player signings, coaches, trades, draft picks. Stupid.
Everything. You. Say. Is. Stupid.
Oh, FYI. ClipperNation is also bizarrely obsessed with me. I wont post for months and I'll come back and see several alerts that Ive been mentioned in different threads. They are always from CiipperNation. Always. And they are always just insults from out of nowhere.
Im honestly concerend about his mental health. I dont think its healthy to be on here every day obsessing over someone he's never met.
ing sick, man.
da suns ging up this site with realgm level takes Smdh.
Well maybe I deserve it. There was this gem:
Damn it, ClipperNation, its just too easy.
You're proud of that "Dudley > Melo" take?
So you explained why Kidd wasn't the media's choice, which rendered him unworthy of the player of the year award. But that doesn't matter, because we are talking about the most valuable player aware here.
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So you explained why Kidd wasn't the media's choice, which rendered him unworthy of the player of the year award. But that doesn't matter, because we are talking about the most valuable player aware here.
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If he was so dominant, why didnt they win any more games than the previous year?
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...duncan-mvp.htmDuncan, in his fifth pro season, set personal bests in scoring average (25.5 points) and rebounding average (12.7) while leading the Spurs to the Midwest Division le and a tie for the league's second-best record (58-24).
Duncan ranked fifth in the league in scoring, second in rebounding, and third in blocked shots (2.48 average). His 67 double-doubles led the league.
So dominant. Tied for second best record in the west. Personal bests in scoring. Led the league in..double doubles.
I think Ive proved my point here.
Because he was also dominant the previous year as Duncan has been an MVP candidate from his rookie year to about 07. Also, his teammates got worse. Haven't you heard team record depends on the team and not totally on one single individual?
Yeah, pretty damn dominant numbers, especially when you factor in pace.
Considering the ECF finalists Nets and Celts would've probably finished 5th and 6th in the west, I'd say it's a pretty big deal. They tied with the "three-time champion" Lakers and were three back of an all-time great Kings teams. And Tim and scrubs finished better than a loaded Mavs team.
LOL...so dominant, they managed to increase their win total by zero.
So dominant, they managed to win A game against the Lakers in two playoffs series.
You can call him "fundamentally sound", "boring", "squeaky clean" whatever...but "dominant" is ing absurd.
Spurs would've came out of the East in 02. So would've the Kings, Lakers and Mavs. And the western teams 5-8 would've had just as good or better odds as the Celtics and Nets.
Not trying to nit-pick but the 2002 the Lakers werent "three time champs" yet. The MVP is given out during the 2002 playoffs.
Webber would have been a stronger candidate (Kings finished first) except he missed the first third of the season due to injury. Shaq and Kobe were just coasting. So who do you vote for out west? Kidd's the obvious player of the year but the east is so bad and his scoring average is so low and that whole spousal abuse thing....
Tim Duncan was a nice, safe pick.
But they ed up. NO ONE can remember a thing Tim Duncan did in 2002. The Lakers won their third le playing against the Nets with Shaq calling Kidd "The real MVP". Not a great year for MVP voting.
You're essentially arguing against Nash's MVP, which was closer than Duncan's, which was way more controversial, and which SHAQ said was tainted
Seriously, when did you get so re ed? And haven't you 'left' this thread twice?
06 Nash was so dominant the Suns won less games than the year before and the year after.
Who said Nash was a dominant player?
Game. Set. Match.
Nonsense. Unlike Kidd, Nash played in the west so he wasnt dinged for that. Likewise he had the squeaky clean image as opposed to Kidd's spousal abuse. And unlike the Nets, the Suns won 60+ games scoring a ton of points so they were an even bigger story.You're essentially arguing against Nash's MVP, which was closer than Duncan's, which was way more controversial, and which SHAQ said was tainted
Seriously, when did you get so re ed? And haven't you 'left' this thread twice?
Shaq also had a strong case to make that season. As I said they were first in the east and the Lakers missed the playoffs (while the Mavs still won 58 games sans Nash).
But looking back at that season, Nash was the obvious player of the year. They got it right.
Yeah, Nash didn't deserve the MVP, just the player of the year award that you hand out.
Chang, tell us more about how DOMINANT Duncan was. Dont forget to mention pace, though!
Did Duncan not play in the 2001 & 2002 playoffs? Asking for a friend.
Duncan led the league in FGM, 2PGM, FTM, Defensive rebounds and total rebounds, offensive winshares (10.7, 0.5 over the 2nd best in the league), total win shares (17.8, 4.2 > 2nd), box score plus minus (7.6, 0.6 > 2nd) and VORP (8.1, 1.1 > 2nd).
Chang, tell us more about how DOMINANT Duncan was. Dont forget to mention pace, though!
Did Duncan not play in the 2001 & 2002 playoffs? Asking for a friend.
Led the playoffs in blocks per game at 4.3 blocks, putting up 27.6ppg and 14.4rpg. He also led the playoffs in BPM that year. That year was better, numbers-wise, than the best seasons of Nowitzki, Barkley, Erving, Malone, and Larry Bird.
If you want to talk how he didn't go past the 2nd round, in the series vs. the Lakers, he put up 29/17.2/4.6/1/3.2 vs. 21.4/12.2/3.2/0.6/3.0 for Shaq, and 26.2/5.4/4.8/1.0/0.2 for Kobe. If you do the math, both Shaq and Kobe, supposedly two of the top three player in the NBA, put up a TOTAL of 47.6/17.6/8.0/1.6/3.2 for the entire series. Duncan put up similar rebounding and block numbers by HIMSELF. So yeah, it was dominant.
The only compe ion for him that year was Shaq, but Shaq was coasting and didn't play a full season, so the award rightfully went to Duncan.
Dominant players dont LOSE. your "win shares"!
That was just what I was hoping for. Thanks!
Where did you come to that conclusion? Dominant players lose all the time, or else Kareem, wilt, shaq and Jordan would've never lost.
Dominant players dont LOSE. your "win shares"!
That was just what I was hoping for. Thanks!
Make sure you figure out basketball is a team sport before you start talking basketball from now.
This should be a Jeopardy question.
Answer: This fan watched his team lose 7 out of 8 games to the Los Angeles Lakers and then claim a player on his team was "dominant".
Question: Who is Ambchang?
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