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    These players would walk on any pickup court and dominate. Everybody carries the ball and travel at some point. If you don't think you do that then you're delusional. You know why you think you or non NBA players don't do that? Because you don't have a damn camera (plus slow motion camera)on you all of the time to show it. And I really think you're only thinking about Murray when he couldn't get the court up in his first game against Beverly in the playoffs. First of all he's a damn rookie against a great defender plus he's tall and hasn't learned to tighten up his drivble yet but he will learn. It's just like when football players (running backs) run too high instead of getting low. Eventually if taught properly they will learn to change it. I watched old film of Bob Cousy dribbling the ball up the damn court while looking at it the whole time and guys couldn't even take it away. You really think that would work now? Gtfoh.

    And don't talk about the post game. Players just don't grow up learning it anymore as much. The game has changed. Everybody didn't have a damn post game back then either.. Mutombo didn't. I haven't seen much film but I doubt Bill Russell had one either. A lot of guard and combo players get the ball more now. Kids grew up watching Kobe and Jordan and Lebron so that's just how they wanted to play the game. That's how eras go. And it won't change until some cool new player brings back the post game style. That's just how things go. It's common sense. Kids imitate who they idolize. The mid range has changed because the 3 ball gets you more points and it's more cool and satisfying. Simple as that.
    You proved my point when you agreed that everyone travels, then summed it up when you said people shoot more 3s cause its cool.... todays nba players are basically , and ive seen them play pickup and tournament games off season, astonisbingly they didnt dominate, but probably because they werent playing hard...

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    You proved my point when you agreed that everyone travels, then summed it up when you said people shoot more 3s cause its cool.... todays nba players are basically , and ive seen them play pickup and tournament games off season, astonisbingly they didnt dominate, but probably because they werent playing hard...
    It's not like I'm saying they travel all of the time. It just happens occasionally to players but since it's on camera everyone puts so much emphasis on it. And yeah so what? Why not doing something you like doing if you find it cool? And exactly because they have jobs and can't risk being hurt but if someone was talking to them and they decided to play hard they dominate.

    They're not . Watch old film and see how uncoordinated some of those guys look.

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    Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?
    At Thompson being ranked in the top 20. He's the most overrated player I can remember in the 20 years I've followed the league, a glorified role player who's got the cushiest job of all time for a supposed star. On most teams, he'd be exposed as nothing more than a better offense, worse defense version of Danny Green.

    Aldridge, as underwhelming as he was and as much criticism as he received, still outpaced Thompson in most significant advanced stats.

    They've tried to dissuade the best players from congregating, but they can't literally stop them if they're determined enough. Even before this trend, they never had parity because it's not possible in a sport with 5 players per team playing at once, more possessions/scoring chances than any other and no goaltender/pitcher to serve as an equalizer of sorts. Superior talent is almost always going to win out.

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    Would you trade Aldridge for Donkey?
    Because he is younger, perhaps. But for one year, no. Green is a third piece, not a second.

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    At Thompson being ranked in the top 20. He's the most overrated player I can remember in the 20 years I've followed the league, a glorified role player who's got the cushiest job of all time for a supposed star. On most teams, he'd be exposed as nothing more than a better offense, worse defense version of Danny Green.

    Aldridge, as underwhelming as he was and as much criticism as he received, still outpaced Thompson in most significant advanced stats.

    They've tried to dissuade the best players from congregating, but they can't literally stop them if they're determined enough. Even before this trend, they never had parity because it's not possible in a sport with 5 players per team playing at once, more possessions/scoring chances than any other and no goaltender/pitcher to serve as an equalizer of sorts. Superior talent is almost always going to win out.
    where you rank him among second third tier wings?

    I got

    Butler
    George
    Hayward
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    Melodrama
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    Klay...

    dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

    Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

    Team USA too...

    just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.

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    where you rank him among second third tier wings?

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    Butler
    George
    Hayward
    Ante
    Melodrama
    Derozan
    Klay...

    dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

    Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

    Team USA too...

    just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.
    Lol melo... jesus

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    Lol melo... jesus
    melo is overrated but have you seen 3 or 4 players in the last 10 years that have the combination of all-time attacking and shooting combo as melo? Hes the perfect second guy for any team.

    His days with iverson when he would catch the ball of the drive..he was unstoppable because hes great shooter, mid range shooter and off the catch shooter.

    Team USA is an even bigger example.

    Melo thrives in that kind of a role and if he finds himself in houston hes going to have some sort or resurgency in his career.

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    I think Melo has now gone from formerly overrated to underrated. He has taken a beating in the media from losing so much in NYC and then Phil sabotaged his image on purpose. Sure, he's not the perfect player , not an MVP candidate an His flaws have been exposed but what he brings offensively is now completely discounted to the point a bunch of rookies who haven't played a single NBA game are ranked higher than him in these so called rankings (all hype). It's gone too far I think. Just like Lamarcus even with all his faults is now underrated if he's ranked so low.

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    Because he is younger, perhaps. But for one year, no. Green is a third piece, not a second.
    You'd take him; so, he is a second piece even for a team like the Spurs. That shows Green is probably top 30 or 40. I don't know where ESPN put him; haven't seen the list. SI put him as 10, and that's pretty silly though.
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    where you rank him among second third tier wings?

    I got

    Butler
    George
    Hayward
    Ante
    Melodrama
    Derozan
    Klay...

    dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

    Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

    Team USA too...

    just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.
    He's clearly bottom 2. DeRozan is right up there with Westbrook on my most unwatchable list and Thompson's 3 and (overrated) D game is obviously a cleaner fit on most teams, so I'd rather have him, but they're comparable players.

    Never been a fan, but even in decline, Anthony would be ridiculous offensively on Rockets or anywhere where he could be relegated to catch and shoot stretch PF. ESPN rating him at 64 is silly and indicative of how poor their list always is.

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    The NBA's elevation of the 6'1" to 6'5" player was inevitably going to make lists like this leave one's head shaking.

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    The slot between 11 and 30 is what will hurt us. IN a league where you need 3 stars to compete at the highest level, we will need that slot filled. Or maybe two in the 30-50 area.

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