Church of Kyle Anderson

Originally Posted by ceds

He has had 3 off-seasons now to get his body strong enough to play the 4 and gives the team passing and IQ at the position.

It's all going to come down to if he can/will shoot the 3 at 35%+ and not hesitate. If he can do that then maybe he could start on a bad team

The Anderson / Bertan's battle will be interesting to watch but i have Bertans ahead by a long way.

I think Kyle's defense and rebounding give him the edge over Bertans. Those are 2 areas that will be at a premium for the Spurs this year. I just wish Bertans would at least pretend to try to rebound.

I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?

I like Anderson, but that interview makes him seems unhappy. I'd rather Bertans over Anderson thou, simply cuz Anderson is busy tryna be a play maker vs just shooting the ball.

Originally Posted by jermaine

I like Anderson, but that interview makes him seems unhappy. I'd rather Bertans over Anderson thou, simply cuz Anderson is busy tryna be a play maker vs just shooting the ball.

It's the first time I see him say something like that. I really think it's the Spurs don't want to pay him next season. He's got to look out for himself now and be a grownup. The business aspect of the NBA isn't pretty for everyone.

Originally Posted by ceds

I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?

Unlikely IMO he's a Spur past this season. It's important for him to take advantage of his chances to play when he has them bc his livelihood and next contract will depend on it.

Let's just pray one of the two has developed enough to be be depended on.

I like the compe ion aspect, hopefully it brings out the best in the both of them.

Originally Posted by ceds

Let's just pray one of the two has developed enough to be be depended on.

I like the compe ion aspect, hopefully it brings out the best in the both of them.

Bertans contract will also depend on it. I also expect him to have a good season. The Spurs could potentially have 6 FA to resign next season and they won't be able to resign them all frankly. Some may move on on their own like LMA.

Spurs may just want to wait on the season to see what they will do with Bertans, Kyle and Forbes all restricted but I expect RC to play the market to his advantage and play them like he played JSimms. Let them get an offer to match. The situation may change for them if LMA and Danny opt out, if Rudy also opts out or he has a bad season coming back from the injury. A whole lot of things can happen between now and then so it's a risk they are taking... but considering the state of the team, where Spurs don't know who is going to step up or not and who will want to hitch a ride somewhere else or not, playing it that way is the way to go for RC. I do expect KYle to be gone. I think he's opened eyes in some teams and could be perceived as one of those assets Spurs won't match offers on or aren't intent on keeping. He could be poached easily and if he has a good season, even more easily. He may ask Spurs to release him quickly like Cojo did.

Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I don't suck up to mods and Kori. Cant say the same for you.

99 percent of the posters here manage to have opinions not horrible enough to get censored. Keep fighting the man, though.

Originally Posted by SAGirl

Unlikely IMO he's a Spur past this season. It's important for him to take advantage of his chances to play when he has them bc his livelihood and next contract will depend on it.

I am not going to say that Kyle and PATFO didn't talk about his extension, but that really seems like one of multiple possibilities. The Spurs not offering an extension now is not the same thing as them not wanting to pay him. It's simply too hard to know what he's worth without knowing if he can hold down a solid rotation spot. The current RFA market seems to underscore that Kyle may well not get what he wants from anyone next summer. If anything, he should feel more confident in SA holding his rights than a team that wouldn't let him go if he legitimately gets priced out of the Spurs' plans.

I really think it could be Simmons related more than extension. He and Jon are supposedly really tight, and Simmons (very, very mistakenly) felt that he deserved big money off his performance last year. Not only was Simmons not happy about the lack of a deal, but he was also relatively vocal about his displeasure. I would not be surprised at all if Simmons' and Dedmon's at udes toward PATFO rubbed off on Anderson -- and maybe players we don't even know about. , Hanga wasn't too happy either, and Adam put in about as much time as any player who's never played for SA can.

Originally Posted by Chinook

99 percent of the posters here manage to have opinions not horrible enough to get censored. Keep fighting the man, though.

I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

Fathead better than T.J. Warren. At what? Passing up shots? God Chinook's player evaluation is always so horrible.

Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Fathead better than T.J. Warren. At what? Passing up shots? God Chinook's player evaluation is always so horrible.

Keep telling us how LMA got traded in the summer. TJ Warren is a net-negative player. Anyone who can see past points could tel that.

can't read more than one number but still tries to criticize other players.

Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

jealous over that of all things.

Do you want me to start a thread over there for you or something? You just have to ask.

Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

Yeah the guy has always been piss poor at evaluating talent, he always seems to be way off the mark.

Need to stick to CBA or something.

Originally Posted by Chinook

Keep telling us how LMA got traded in the summer. TJ Warren is a net-negative player. Anyone who can see past points could tel that.

can't read more than one number but still tries to criticize other players.

The guy is being asked to contribute greatly night in and night out. Put your pathetic Fathead in his spot and he wouldn't fair any better. Replace Kyle with TJ Warren and Kawhi would actually have a legitimate backup rather than Kyle who is so bad at that position, he needs to be moved to power forward to hide all his deficiencies as a 3.

Can't wait until Kyle is out of the league so ty talent evaluators like you can finally stop talking about him.

Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Yeah the guy has always been piss poor at evaluating talent, he always seems to be way off the mark.

Need to stick to CBA or something.

It's nuts. You expect a wrong take here or there, but he is consistently wrong about every player he evaluates.

Originally Posted by ceds

He has had 3 off-seasons now to get his body strong enough to play the 4 and gives the team passing and IQ at the position.

It's all going to come down to if he can/will shoot the 3 at 35%+ and not hesitate. If he can do that then maybe he could start on a bad team

The Anderson / Bertan's battle will be interesting to watch but i have Bertans ahead by a long way.

Bertans can't play defense for . He's not ahead of ka.

Originally Posted by TimDunkem

It's nuts. You expect a wrong take here or there, but he is consistently wrong about every player he evaluates.

Chinook is good people but you're right.

Originally Posted by Nathan89

Bertans can't play defense for . He's not ahead of ka.

and the other cannot space the floor so it's pick your poison until we know which of the two has improved on his weakness more then the other and can win the spot.

The compe ion can only be a good thing right & hopefully pushes them both.

Maybe you missed my following post so ill attach it for you

Quote Originally Posted by ceds
I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?

Originally Posted by Chinook

I am not going to say that Kyle and PATFO didn't talk about his extension, but that really seems like one of multiple possibilities. The Spurs not offering an extension now is not the same thing as them not wanting to pay him. It's simply too hard to know what he's worth without knowing if he can hold down a solid rotation spot. The current RFA market seems to underscore that Kyle may well not get what he wants from anyone next summer. If anything, he should feel more confident in SA holding his rights than a team that wouldn't let him go if he legitimately gets priced out of the Spurs' plans.

I really think it could be Simmons related more than extension. He and Jon are supposedly really tight, and Simmons (very, very mistakenly) felt that he deserved big money off his performance last year. Not only was Simmons not happy about the lack of a deal, but he was also relatively vocal about his displeasure. I would not be surprised at all if Simmons' and Dedmon's at udes toward PATFO rubbed off on Anderson -- and maybe players we don't even know about. , Hanga wasn't too happy either, and Adam put in about as much time as any player who's never played for SA can.

You have a good point. A good amount is my own interpretation and assumptions for sure.

His view can be colored by the experiences of others close to him. Kyle and J.Simms are really close. What was actually revealing to me was hearing J.Simms talk about Kyle, he has him in high esteem. That told me more about how close they are than the times Kyle spoke about his friend. They were tight, went to lunch together, hung out, etc. It's also the Shabazz Mohammed thing. They were also close. Shabazz declined an extension is my belief but gambled wrongly and ended up shafted. Jamychal Green and Kyle are not necessarily as close as those two but they do know each other from the dleague and summer league. Green got shafted by Memphis. Then the Hanga thing. Potentially borderline egregious bc Hanga said Spurs backed out of a deal. Then you look around at others: Montiejunas for example.

The business side of the NBA can be ugly. Kyle may have just seen enough around him from guys he knows to have wisened up. It was the comment about his own livelihood that told me maybe it's hitting closer to home. Also PATFO has no incentive to sign him now, nor did I expect it either. I doubt they even made an offer, and if they did it has to be downright insulting. They just don't have incentive to want to resign him right now and have a lot of other team concerns. But I don't think he expects to stay in the team. I admit that's my own leap. I am almost convinced he's leaving, that's why I suggested trades. He reminds me of Cojo in many aspects not as players, but in regards to solid play and team situation.

Originally Posted by TimDunkem

The guy is being asked to contribute greatly night in and night out. Put your pathetic Fathead in his spot and he wouldn't fair any better. Replace Kyle with TJ Warren and Kawhi would actually have a legitimate backup rather than Kyle who is so bad at that position, he needs to be moved to power forward to hide all his deficiencies as a 3.

Can't wait until Kyle is out of the league so ty talent evaluators like you can finally stop talking about him.

The point was that Warren is a talented scorer but that's all he is an he's a very bad shooter and defender. He could nit start for this team due to those two things and if he was in last year's team he would have had trouble fitting in. I don't think he would have had a better season than Simmons, who's a poor shooter too, but better defender and passer. Warren wouldn't have been statpadding like he did in the Suns who were awful. He would never have gotten that extension he got if he played in the Spurs IMO. You can disagree but we'd never know as this is all hypothetical. His numbers and stats would have been depressed, he'd play off the ball with Manu, there would be a couple of bigs in the paint with Dedmon and Lee there, etc. He might even gotten benchings from Pop due to bad defense, etc. He'd have a scoring outburst here or there but not often either.

Originally Posted by SAGirl

The point was that Warren is a talented scorer but that's all he is an he's a very bad shooter and defender. He could nit start for this team due to those two things and if he was in last year's team he would have had trouble fitting in. I don't think he would have had a better season than Simmons, who's a poor shooter too, but better defender and passer. Warren wouldn't have been statpadding like he did in the Suns who were awful. He would never have gotten that extension he got if he played in the Spurs IMO. You can disagree but we'd never know as this is all hypothetical. His numbers and stats would have been depressed, he'd play off the ball with Manu, there would be a couple of bigs in the paint with Dedmon and Lee there, etc. He might even gotten benchings from Pop due to bad defense, etc. He'd have a scoring outburst here or there but not often either.

That's all well and good, but you take far too much stock in a players defensive play on the ing Suns of all teams. You think Kyle would be the same defender had he been drafted by Phoenix? You'd think as someone who has watched the improvement of LaMarcus Aldridge into one of the best defenders at the 4 in the league would recognize this.

Give T.J. Warren Gregg Popovich and Chip Engelland, and I guarantee you he's leagues above Fathead.

Originally Posted by TimDunkem

That's all well and good, but you take far too much stock in a players defensive play on the ing Suns of all teams. You think Kyle would be the same defender had he been drafted by Phoenix? You'd think as someone who has watched the improvement of LaMarcus Aldridge into one of the best defenders at the 4 in the league would recognize this.

No. You have good points but he rebounds well and blocks shots and steals. Those are a factor of having good and quick hands he'd do that everywhere. But I am sure his overall numbers statistically would suffer some. Sun's don't have a good enough system to cover deficiencies if their guys.

Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Give T.J. Warren Gregg Popovich and Chip Engelland, and I guarantee you he's leagues above Fathead.

Maybe I said this is hypothetical. We shall never know. But Spurs system and aura tend to get credited for the improvement of their players too much, to the degree the players are slighted. Warren has also been injured a lot his last couple of seasons. I don't know that he'd be able to improve that much.