Vegas mass shooting

[DMC]

Which wasn't at all possible in this scenerio. The Orlando shooting, the Colorado theatre shooting, and the like might be a different story. You can argue logistics all day, how hard or easy it is to pull off, what components are legal and which are not... but the fact remains that a crowd of people were fired upon by automatic rifles from a distance. To just throw your hands up and say nothing can or should be changed is irresponsible.

Again, I'm not anti second amendment. I'm a gun owner myself. All I'm saying is that maybe we need to question what the practical application for some of these guns are.

Wrong. Get your facts straight. There wasn't an automatic rifle anywhere in the room.

See, this is the kind of that leads the majority of people away from the answer - people who don't fact check before they are ready to initiate policy changes. They focus on how many guns he had even if he only used one. They talk about tannerite and other he didn't use. They want to outlaw every aspect of everything he did as if they can go back in time and stop him from doing what he did. When all this sifts through the sieve, what comes out eventually is just a run on firearm related merchandise, some political hay and more money to the NRA. No one is going to confiscate guns, and that's what would have to happen to placate those "evil gun" people who, like you, also don't know the facts.

Everyone wants that one simple lever to solve these issues but it eventually comes down to confiscating firearms. Making illegal doesn't remove it from existence otherwise you couldn't buy illegal because it wouldn't exist.

[blizz]

I agree. There is no easy answer. There are things that should change that MIGHT help but again they would be laws. Bad guys don’t care about laws. That’s what everyone conveniently forgets. Listen. This is a sad, tragic, unfortunate case of some deranged individual that killed people. Is that rare? no. The means is something we haven’t seen but the intent was to take lives so imo he would have done it any way using whatever means necessary. You can’t legislate crazy. Waaay back before all this Ronald Reagan had it right:

“We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.”

[Xevious]

Wrong. Get your facts straight. There wasn't an automatic rifle anywhere in the room.

You're arguing semantics. Of course there wasn't automatic weapons. But with a fairly simple and legal mod he could effectively fire automatically.

But I'll leave it at that. You do have a point, and one I've argued after tragedies past, that kneejerk reactions only bolster sales. And regardless of legislation, nobody is rounding up guns.

[blizz]

You have to argue semantics. Auto and semi auto are two huge distinctions in regards to this discussion.

[DMC]

You're arguing semantics. Of course there wasn't automatic weapons. But with a fairly simple and legal mod he could effectively fire automatically.

But I'll leave it at that. You do have a point, and one I've argued after tragedies past, that kneejerk reactions only bolster sales. And regardless of legislation, nobody is rounding up guns.

Like blizz says, it always comes down to verbiage, things like "evil features" and such. The only thing that makes a receiver worth 10K more is a small metal piece called a sear that you could mass produce for less than 5 dollars each. It's valuable and it's restricted because it's registered as transferable.

I don't know if a transferable subgun was ever used in a crime, much less a mass shooting. Outside of that, it's illegal to convert a semiauto to full auto. An AK-47 is a select fire assault rifle and a transferable one will set you back a new vehicle. Not to worry though, the new vehicle will be worth half it's value in 3 years or so while the subgun will be worth more than you paid for it.

So laws already exist to keep full automatics off the streets. Those used in the bank heist were illegally modified but that wasn't the reason the situation went sideways. The kevlar vests allowed the perps to survive handgun fire because the cops are also targets of gun legislation.

[DJR210]

Time to change things this is no longer 1776.

A Wyoming rancher who owns cattle, owns property, has a spotless record, actually no record. For a guy like this to purchase a weapon is totally different than some cat in Detroit who washs dishes at Denny's. Yes, who somebody is should be huge in their ability to own any weapon. I'd go with a person has to have at least a 1000 in the bank before they can qualify for gun owner ship.

you did ok until your last line.. You do realize some pretty s my people out there can easily show they have a grand, right? A grand ain't

[Avante]

you did ok until your last line.. You do realize some pretty s my people out there can easily show they have a grand, right? A grand ain't

You do realize I am talking a real check on a persons history....right? A check on the checks they write, where the money comes from, etc etc etc.

40 year old man in Idaho, who has been on his job for 20 years, no criminal record, a home owner and married has 1200 in the bank.

A 21 year old in Chicago, with a record, has children but is raising none of them has 1400 in the bank but no job.

Who gets approved for a weapon?

Botton line....

Get real REAL picky about just who can and cannot own a weapon.

[DMC]

Avante financially stuck int he 60's.

[Avante]

Avante financially stuck int he 60's.

DMCs head stuck a foot up his ass.

Botton line stupid......ya gotta have a real job, be somebody, own a home, no record, ok little guy? Some known thug in the inner cities who has never held on to any job more than a few months, can't pay his child support, has tickets he can't pay......no weapon................ok half pint?

Why are you struggling so badly with this?

[DMC]

DMCs head stuck a foot up his ass.

Botton line stupid......ya gotta have a real job, be somebody, own a home, no record, ok little guy? Some known thig in the inner cities who has never held on to any job more than a few months, can't pay his child support, has ticets he can't pay......no weapon................ok half pint?

So to exercise your rights, you have to be affluent? Are we going back to the days when only land owners could vote? Your suggestion would affect mostly minorities and the poor. You're really a .

You think a home owner could survive with 1400.00 in liquid assets?

I guess we know how you get by, det statue of liberty check.

[Avante]

So to exercise your rights, you have to be affluent? Are we going back to the days when only land owners could vote? Your suggestion would affect mostly minorities and the poor. You're really a .

You think a home owner could survive with 1400.00 in liquid assets?

I guess we know how you get by, det statue of liberty check.

Stupid, I'm retired insurance sales ok? I get ya don't understand % on old business, something ya lock in after five years in. So wrong as usual. And....the wife works.

Pay attention.

You ever live in a neighborhood of renters? Then live in a neighnorhood of home owners? HUGE....difference. We can't have low lifes, failures, can't keep a job, own nothing, in and out of trouble owning weapons, even a simple like you can figure this out. You put guns in the hands of successful people who have proven themselves over time, ok?

My God this little is dense.

[Avante]

Unless a person lives a stable life, ya know....job, no history of crimes/mental problem/radical anythings/a success, $$$$ in the bank/owns property, they can't qualify for gun ownership......yep....just that smple. No job, a history of problems, trouble, don't own anything, never been a success at anything......forget it.

Just that easy.

Guy walks in smelling of grease, has a tattoo on his neck, a t-shirt that reads......Bad to the Bone. He's wearing shades and a huge ring on his pinky. He wants to apply for gun ownership.

[blizz]

And that would have prevented this how? The guy had a lot of money and several residences. Most of these mass killings aren’t carried out by thugs. ��

[Pavlov]

I don't rule out a false flag.

I do.

On other forums the possibility of its having been a false flag is being discussed.

They're idiots.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index....e-flag.515629/

If the government is planning to declare marshal law sometime in the future, it will be easier for it to control an unarmed population. The government may be planning to make gun owernship illegal. In order to do that it needs a big majority of public support. The more people die in these mass shootings, the higher the number of people who support gun control will be and the easier it will be for the government to declare private gun ownership illegal.

This isn't a far-fetched idea; if the government can kill a few thousand citzens in New York,...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8610878

...the idea that it could kill a few hundred in Las Vegas shouldn't surprise anybody.

It's a far-fetched idea.

And stupid.

[spurraider21]

Your suggestion would affect mostly minorities and the poor.

Always DMC's greatest concern

[spurraider21]

You should check out a psychiatrist

[Pavlov]

For now I'm just posting this info so that it can be discussed.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-la...eptive/5612247
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...an+one+shooter


I haven't had time to take a good look at it yet.


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Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

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