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    Ugh. The Beautiful Game had little to do with threes and everything to do with free-flowing offense without clear first options. That's not the case this year. I fully expect to see isos left and right with only spurts of free-flowing plays.

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    while the author uses a good deal of hyperbole mixed with some degree of wishful thinking, i wouldn't disagree with the assertion that the spurs are looking to increase the amount of three pointers they attempt per game and are in the process of tweaking the offense (to what extent, we shall see).

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    Ugh. The Beautiful Game had little to do with threes and everything to do with free-flowing offense without clear first options. That's not the case this year. I fully expect to see isos left and right with only spurts of free-flowing plays.
    I think you are right to an extent, but I think Pop maybe realizing that we can't just play iso-ball all the time and is trying to incorporate more motion. In regards to Aldridge, they've already said that they are going to both incorporate more cutting and quick entries to him, as well as have him step out more. The rest of the team seemed to be filled with guys who can slash or shoot.

    The big question is Kawhi...iso is obviously his strong suit, and you can't just go away from your best player's game. But even he would benefit from getting open with a little more space and motion.

    I think Pop tried to go after the Warriors "weak link" with size last year...and that obviously didn't work. Even before Kawhi went down, the Spurs were still having to play the small game and couldn't even really get Gasol or Dedmon on the floor against them.

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    I think you are right to an extent, but I think Pop maybe realizing that we can't just play iso-ball all the time and is trying to incorporate more motion. In regards to Aldridge, they've already said that they are going to both incorporate more cutting and quick entries to him, as well as have him step out more. The rest of the team seemed to be filled with guys who can slash or shoot.

    The big question is Kawhi...iso is obviously his strong suit, and you can't just go away from your best player's game. But even he would benefit from getting open with a little more space and motion.

    I think Pop tried to go after the Warriors "weak link" with size last year...and that obviously didn't work. Even before Kawhi went down, the Spurs were still having to play the small game and couldn't even really get Gasol or Dedmon on the floor against them.
    You'd want Kawhi having practice time to get different plays established. LMA is getting great plays called for him, and it looks really obvious why some people thought he would be a better center of the offense. It's just much easier to plan around a big terrorizing the paint than a wing isoing. But Kawhi is such a better offensive player that it's ridiculous. I honestly don't know if there's a way to marry iso and BG outside of having differentiatable modes the offense is in.

    Can Kawhi score in the BG? Of course he can, but his ceiling is just not as high there, and the team will need iso games when the going gets tough (which is why Gay and even Forbes are so interesting). Even the same sets Pop called during the BG were completely different with Kawhi and LMA. It was a lot more stagnant and had timing that hurt all their shooters. Unless they can get Kawhi plays that have a clear rhythm like PnR drives (not pull-ups or abortions into isos) or duck-ins, it'll feel as stark of a contrast as BG to Parker's "hero ball" did back in the day.

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    You'd want Kawhi having practice time to get different plays established. LMA is getting great plays called for him, and it looks really obvious why some people thought he would be a better center of the offense. It's just much easier to plan around a big terrorizing the paint than a wing isoing. But Kawhi is such a better offensive player that it's ridiculous. I honestly don't know if there's a way to marry iso and BG outside of having differentiatable modes the offense is in.

    Can Kawhi score in the BG? Of course he can, but his ceiling is just not as high there, and the team will need iso games when the going gets tough (which is why Gay and even Forbes are so interesting). Even the same sets Pop called during the BG were completely different with Kawhi and LMA. It was a lot more stagnant and had timing that hurt all their shooters. Unless they can get Kawhi plays that have a clear rhythm like PnR drives (not pull-ups or abortions into isos) or duck-ins, it'll feel as stark of a contrast as BG to Parker's "hero ball" did back in the day.
    Good points. I guess it's just easy to wax nostalgic about the BG days. I still think the team could benefit from incorporating more of those concepts, but I guess it's probably better suited to the bench unit, as it was last season.

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    Thread le = Pounding the c*ck?

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    As long as we keep playing Gasol and Aldridge together and one of either Tony or Murray see significant time we won't be shooting threes at the clip we need to, to trully contend against GS.

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    LMA has to become a much better passer.

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    As long as we keep playing Gasol and Aldridge together and one of either Tony or Murray see significant time we won't be shooting threes at the clip we need to, to trully contend against GS.
    Pau has become a damned good 3 point shooter, and TP is respectable in that regard too, shot +50% in the playoffs.

    I would have to think against GS though, having guys who can switch often will be used most, and Pau (at least against their starters) will struggle there.

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    If Becky takes the keys, yea I can see that. But it ain't happening. This is still Poop's team and he hasn't given a damn about coaching basketball since 2014, and he admitted it when he said he did a poor job of incorporating LMA. Expect Kawhi to turn to gold like usually does in this offense. Him and LMA have no other option than to ISO and that's on Poop.

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    As long as we keep playing Gasol and Aldridge together and one of either Tony or Murray see significant time we won't be shooting threes at the clip we need to, to trully contend against GS.
    U are looking at it wrong... We WON'T get threes unless we get Murray's penetration... Against good teams like golden state, they play defense like us... One on one and force ur best player to beat us...

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    U are looking at it wrong... We WON'T get threes unless we get Murray's penetration... Against good teams like golden state, they play defense like us... One on one and force ur best player to beat us...
    That's absolutely not how the Spurs play D.

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    U are looking at it wrong... We WON'T get threes unless we get Murray's penetration... Against good teams like golden state, they play defense like us... One on one and force ur best player to beat us...
    Sucks you still have power over there in the islands tbh

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    If Becky takes the keys, yea I can see that. But it ain't happening. This is still Poop's team and he hasn't given a damn about coaching basketball since 2014, and he admitted it when he said he did a poor job of incorporating LMA. Expect Kawhi to turn to gold like usually does in this offense. Him and LMA have no other option than to ISO and that's on Poop.
    It's got little to do with who "takes the keys" and is mostly personnel related. From '12-'15, they had an unprecedented combination of high IQ, continuity and unselfishness. Helping matters, was where the key players were at in their careers, particularly Duncan and Leonard. Without a superstar, they not only knew that they had to play that way to reach their potential, but that their potential was champions.

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    LMA has to become a much better passer.
    6 assists last game.

    He needs to keep that up...and he needs shooting around it to do that.

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    6 assists last game.

    He needs to keep that up...and he needs shooting around it to do that.
    Although I'm happy for LMA and his 6 assists, most of those came on doubles that were right in front of him. It was extremely easy to read. I want to see him get assists when a good coach will send help from the weakside. He struggled mightily in those scenarios especially in the playoffs. But here's hoping his passing has indeed improved.

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    That's absolutely not how the Spurs play D.
    So ur saying we double team the star players? If that's what u think, u don't watch the games... We play everyone 1 on 1 and force them Baseline

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    So ur saying we double team the star players? If that's what u think, u don't watch the games... We play everyone 1 on 1 and force them Baseline
    The Spurs help a ton. They'll even triple-team guys like Lebron. Just because those guys don't surround the opponent to leave holes doesn't mean they play straight up. No one is left on an island.

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    The Spurs help a ton. They'll even triple-team guys like Lebron. Just because those guys don't surround the opponent to leave holes doesn't mean they play straight up. No one is left on an island.
    Thank you

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    You're not creating a Kevin Durant from a Rudy Gay.

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    You're not creating a Kevin Durant from a Rudy Gay.
    But you might create a Steph Curry from a Bryn Forbes. Just sayin.

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    So ur saying we double team the star players? If that's what u think, u don't watch the games... We play everyone 1 on 1 and force them Baseline
    That's not true at all. No one does that in the modern nba.

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    I've seen Splitter and Diaw in the bench. Are they helping the new guys with the BG?

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    Realgm already noting that all teams in preseason are jacking up the 3 at unprecedented levels. A 3rd of Spurs preseason shots have been 3s. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/te...son/tpfga/desc

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