Reply With Quote
At the end of the day, Rudy gay and kawhi on the wing is significantly better than Danny Green and kawhi on the wings when you factor in both sides of the ball
He got it out his ass... The last article I saw about Rudy gays defense had a stat called PPD... His was above average... Meaning players score less points when he guards them than they usually would otherwise... He had a better PPD at the end of last year than Jimmy butler...and that was on a bad kings team where he had no motivation to play defense
At the end of the day, Rudy gay and kawhi on the wing is significantly better than Danny Green and kawhi on the wings when you factor in both sides of the ball
He was their WCF MVP last season...Wait, you think that Georgian scrub is one of Golden State's five best players?
Except that Gay isn't good defensively and that he and Kawhi would be GaY/DeRozan 2.0
Net rating has him negative 10/13 seasons and negative overall. He was negative in BPM 3/10 years and overall just a 0.5 (to put into perspective, Green is a career 3.3 guy). Gay was only slightly positive two of the past four years in terms of RPM (with two decent years that were closer to Green's relatively bad year last year than anything else Danny has done). He was decently positive in terms of on/offs his first year in TOR and last year in SAC. The other years, he was bad and his team was worse. In Memphis, he kept swinging from pretty good to pretty bad (like 5,-7,6,-8). No idea what his net would be.
Stopped reading at Green.
Me too
My bad:
Net rating has him negative 10/13 seasons and negative overall. He was negative in BPM 3/10 years and overall just a 0.5 (to put into perspective, Verde is a career 3.3 guy). Gay was only slightly positive two of the past four years in terms of RPM (with two decent years that were closer to Verde's relatively bad year last year than anything else Danny has done). He was decently positive in terms of on/offs his first year in TOR and last year in SAC. The other years, he was bad and his team was worse. In Memphis, he kept swinging from pretty good to pretty bad (like 5,-7,6,-8). No idea what his net would be.
Yeah, when you try to say Gay is better than Green and then don't read all the evidence that says Green's better, it doesn't give you credibility either. Rob's just here so he doesn't get fined. You don't have the same excuse.
Would rather have Leonard at the point guard position...
Keeps Green at the 2
Start gay at the 3.
Gasol
La
Gay
Green
Leonard
That is a starting five.
I especially see this lineup working against okc.
Kawhi being the PG would tank the offense. They desperately need a PG to get other guys shots while Kawhi does his own thing. Him wearing that hat would hurt the offense and his own game. Then defensively, the Spurs would be way oversized, and teams like Portland would eat SA alive.
You're the only person in the world that would take Danny Green over Rudy gay... Their talent level is night and day... I just showed u a stat that showed gays man to man defense being above average on a bad team... And u bring up Danny's defensive numbers and not taking into account Danny plays on a perennial top 3 defensive team for 20 years now... And on offense? No comparison whatsoever
No, you didn't. You just said that such a stat exists without any proof. Who knows what Green PPD or whatever is?
And the Spurs haven't been a top-3 team for that long. They've fluctuated a lot over the years and only stabilized when Green and then Kawhi became starters.
Can you take off that last 's' please?
Gracias Senor Chinook.
What years weren't they top 3? For all championship years they were, including years in between... There aren't more than 3 seasons if that many where spurs weren't a top 3 defensive team in the Duncan era... Danny Green didn't make us great... We have always been great on defense
I am hopeful when the lineups need adjusting Pop will do so. He may even do so when Kawhi gets back to allow everyone expected to be a significant contributor to get chemistry with Kawhi. I hope for a bit of experiment mode Pop. I don't think things are as fixed as they would seem but Pau and Danny will both play. Pau has been really disappointing and we shall see what happens tbh.
I do appreciate that article, as much as I can from a place called "Cow Bell Kingdom". Anyway, that stat merely suggests Rudy is slightly positive (or that he was that particular year). But provided that it's the same stat as here: https://stats.nba.com/players/defens...EVIATION&dir=1
You can see that it wasn't really impressive. To put it into perspective, Kyle had a -5.3 last year, which is apparently "Kawhi-level defense". Manu had a -7.1, which was an order of magnitude better than Kawhi. Danny did have a lower one in 2016, a -.2 to Gay's -.9 and in 2017 -2 to -2.1. Of course, Kyle had -5.3 and Kawhi just -.8.
I like the idea of this stat if taken over multiple seasons and put in its correct box. I don't like it as a measure of overall D, though, as forcing a guy to pass out fouling vs not fouling and getting turnovers is part of D too and completely ignored.
The team was 16th and eight in 2010 (regular PPG and PP100), 14th and 11th in 2011 and 16th and 11th in 2012.
so is this guy the new attention ?
U just proved my point!!! ���������� I literally said there aren't more than 3 seasons where they weren't top 3...but no one will point that out on here though... They will still act as if somehow u won that point
I didn't look past that, because that proved the point that they WEREN'T always a great defensive team. They had a three-year stretch before bringing in the Medium Three where they were bad. If those years were scattered about, that would be one thing. But they all happened together.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
