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    Are you serious?

    Let me know what your conspiracy theory is here. This should be good.
    What I've seen pretty well belies my experience with guns.

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    What I've seen pretty well belies my experience with guns.
    How many times were you shot at with modified semiautomatic rifles during a concert?

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    How many times were you shot at with modified semiautomatic rifles during a concert?
    That has nothing to do with how bullets strike matter.

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    That has nothing to do with how bullets strike matter.
    So you have no experience. What is making you say bullets are not striking matter here?

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    So you have no experience. What is making you say bullets are not striking matter here?
    What is making you say bullets are striking matter? By your logic anyone who falls has been struck by a bullet.

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    What is making you say bullets are striking matter? By your logic anyone who falls has been struck by a bullet.
    That is not the only video ever taken of this incident.

    What is making you say bullets are not striking matter here? Share your vast experience with the world. Educate us on how everyone who thinks bullets hit people in Vegas are wrong.

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    That is not the only video ever taken of this incident.

    What is making you say bullets are not striking matter here? Share your vast experience with the world. Educate us on how everyone who thinks bullets hit people in Vegas are wrong.
    My experience with shooting bullets en masse at matter puts severe doubt into my mind that real bullets are being shot en masse here. Anyone who has shot bullets en masse can see the tell-tale signs of destruction and the sights and sounds of ricocheting and penetrating bullets. None of that is occurring here.

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    My experience with shooting bullets en masse at matter puts severe doubt into my mind that real bullets are being shot en masse here. Anyone who has shot bullets en masse can see the tell-tale signs of destruction and the sights and sounds of ricocheting and penetrating bullets. None of that is occurring here.
    What are you saying is happening to all these thousands of people? What is making the sounds of the sonic cracks at different locations in and around the venue? How are the impact sounds against the metal stands being faked? How are hundreds of bullet wounds being faked? Tell us from your vast en messe experience.

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    What are you saying is happening to all these thousands of people?
    Thousands of people what? You're intentionally making misleading insinuations b/c you realize you're not on a solid footing.

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    Thousands of people what? You're intentionally making misleading insinuations b/c you realize you're not on a solid footing.
    Thousands of people were being shot at and witnessed the event. Hundreds were wounded by bullets and shrapnel. 59 died. What are you saying happened to these people? What is making the sounds of the sonic cracks at different locations in and around the venue? How are the impact sounds against the metal stands being faked? How are hundreds of bullet wounds being faked? Tell us from your vast en masse experience.
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    Thousands of people were being shot at (with blanks apparently).
    Okay; so, you have no point.

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    Okay; so, you have no point.
    Quit stalling. This is your conspiracy theory.

    Thousands of people were being shot at and witnessed the event. Hundreds were wounded by bullets and shrapnel. 59 died. What are you saying happened to these people? What is making the sounds of the sonic cracks at different locations in and around the venue? How are the impact sounds against the metal stands being faked? How are hundreds of bullet wounds being faked? Tell us from your vast en masse experience.

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    I stand with Pavlov!!!!

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    Thousands of people were being shot at and witnessed the event.
    Thousands of people have said that they saw bullets striking matter? I haven't seen that report. It doesn't exist.

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    Thousands of people have said that they saw bullets striking matter? I haven't seen that report. It doesn't exist.
    You're still stalling.

    Quit stalling. This is your conspiracy theory.

    Thousands of people were being shot at and witnessed the event. Hundreds were wounded by bullets and shrapnel. 59 died. What are you saying happened to these people? What is making the sounds of the sonic cracks at different locations in and around the venue? How are the impact sounds against the metal stands being faked? How are hundreds of bullet wounds being faked? Tell us from your vast en masse experience.

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    My experience with shooting bullets en masse at matter puts severe doubt into my mind that real bullets are being shot en masse here. Anyone who has shot bullets en masse can see the tell-tale signs of destruction and the sights and sounds of ricocheting and penetrating bullets. None of that is occurring here.
    you are dumb. Distance is 550 yards. ed up lower velocity tumbling mess ballistically but still deadly shooting into a crowd.

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    I stand with Pavlov!!!!
    Sounds perfect now.

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    My experience with shooting bullets en masse at matter puts severe doubt into my mind that real bullets are being shot en masse here. Anyone who has shot bullets en masse can see the tell-tale signs of destruction and the sights and sounds of ricocheting and penetrating bullets. None of that is occurring here.
    This is not true. I've used fully automatic weapons many times, and you can shoot down range for a thousand rounds and maybe you'll see dirt kick up now and then, but you won't see massive damage unless you're watching Predator.

    Watch a police shootout sometime, or a military operation where cover fire is being sent down range. You won't see massive damage. Even when the A-10 lays down the smack in an urban environment you only see dust from concrete. A minigun firing downrange might kick up some debris, but otherwise on soft tissue and bare ground, you won't see or hear anything over the Vegas night at 550 yards.

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    you are dumb. Distance is 550 yards. ed up lower velocity tumbling mess ballistically but still deadly shooting into a crowd.
    The distance/caliber is insignificant. We would see sure signs of impact that could not be faked. You're the ing re here.

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    This is not true. I've used fully automatic weapons many times, and you can shoot down range for a thousand rounds and maybe you'll see dirt kick up now and then, but you won't see massive damage unless you're watching Predator.

    Watch a police shootout sometime, or a military operation where cover fire is being sent down range. You won't see massive damage. Even when the A-10 lays down the smack in an urban environment you only see dust from concrete. A minigun firing downrange might kick up some debris, but otherwise on soft tissue and bare ground, you won't see or hear anything over the Vegas night at 550 yards.
    You might not see something in the distance. But surely at close range, you would see all kinds of signs besides what cannot easily be faked.

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    The distance/caliber is insignificant. We would see sure signs of impact that could not be faked. You're the ing re here.


    Your theory, please.

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    The distance/caliber is insignificant. We would see sure signs of impact that could not be faked. You're the ing re here.
    You are not going to see 5.56 impact being shot into hard surface at 550 yards but its obviously still enough KE to kill soft targets

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    FYI a 5.56 at 550 yards is down to about 1150 fps (almost subsonic) and a 55 grain bullet is not going to look like scarface in the movies dumb .

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    You might not see something in the distance. But surely at close range, you would see all kinds of signs besides what cannot easily be faked.
    Sure, at close range, in the daylight. Otherwise you're deafened by the noise, blinded by the flash and you see nothing. That's if you're the shooter. If you're at the wrong end, it's just a random whizz now and then and maybe someone hits the dirt. It's not like it was church mouse quiet out there. , they thought the reports were from speaker noise so they certainly wouldn't hear the impact.

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    Sure, at close range, in the daylight. Otherwise you're deafened by the noise, blinded by the flash and you see nothing. That's if you're the shooter. If you're at the wrong end, it's just a random whizz now and then and maybe someone hits the dirt. It's not like it was church mouse quiet out there. , they thought the reports were from speaker noise so they certainly wouldn't hear the impact.
    Seed of doubt; but for all those alleged fatalities, I'm seeing no strong evidence of anything being struck.

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