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Kawhi was ed starting last year when the Spurs asked him to carry the load he did. Kawhi was the MVP last year and prolly will be this year but won't win the award for either year. It's PATFO's fault, not Kawhi's.
media going to run with this narrative, and as long as the bucks dont end up less than 5th seed and giannis stays healthy, he's the runaway favorite.
Sucks bc this was probably Kawhi's best window to win one.
Last edited by 313; 10-22-2017 at 01:59 AM.
Kawhi was ed starting last year when the Spurs asked him to carry the load he did. Kawhi was the MVP last year and prolly will be this year but won't win the award for either year. It's PATFO's fault, not Kawhi's.
Kirby doing everything he can to take attention away from Kawhi. Talk about insecure.
He's also trying to take credit for Giannis' success so far, since he gave Giannis a "Mamba Mentality Challenge" to win MVP this season.
Even after this got retired, he still can't stop trying to take all the credit for actually good players' accomplishments.
Fukin kirby.He's also trying to take credit for Giannis' success so far, since he gave Giannis a "Mamba Mentality Challenge" to win MVP this season.
Even after this got retired, he still can't stop trying to take all the credit for actually good players' accomplishments.
Way too early to say he's the favourite but he has a good shot tbh
It all depends on how good the Bucks are.
Can't even beat the ty cavs team.
I wonder if Kirby will try to take credit for Harvey's Weinstein's Mamba Mentality.He's also trying to take credit for Giannis' success so far, since he gave Giannis a "Mamba Mentality Challenge" to win MVP this season.
Even after this got retired, he still can't stop trying to take all the credit for actually good players' accomplishments.
What do you mean? That's the definition of an MVP, one who carries the largest load (successfully).
There's a difference between carrying the offensive load and carrying the load on both sides; he isn't out there padding stats like past MVPs while taking the entire game off on the other end. Only guys I can think of who had to bear the burden Kawhi has while winning MVP the last 20 years are LeBron and TD.
He's also trying to take credit for Giannis' success so far, since he gave Giannis a "Mamba Mentality Challenge" to win MVP this season.
Even after this got retired, he still can't stop trying to take all the credit for actually good players' accomplishments.all about winning but having a challenge to win a personal award
The MVP should factor in both sides. Anyway, you were saying it's the management's fault for him carrying such a load. What more could they have done, though?
Could've been an actual offensive system in place outside just giving Kawhi the ball and hoping for the best, for one.They also could've realized Tony just wasn't getting it done last season (first round of the playoffs nonwithstanding) and made a move to try to help. And regardless of whether or not the MVP award should factor in both offense and defense, in reality those who vote are only looking at offensive production along with narrative and counting stats.
Lord have mercy you both are obsessed ...dude been retired for 2 years done for almost 5 ..so sad.
pot meet kettle Spurfans campaigning for a media award but are butthurt that giannis may leap him for same BS award...
Again barring injury Leonard may not even make 1st team all nba (only legit honor left) and if durant hadnt got hurt he doesnt last year either ...doesnt mean he is not ... Leonard is great, forward is just very competive right now.
After those fraudulent DPOY's he won over Draymond, it's nice to see the re continuously coming up short in the MVP race tbh.
I see what you're getting at, but I'm sure PATFO don't see it that way. They didn't actually intend to just "give the ball to Kawhi and hope for the best" (even if that's what it looked like at times). They tried to do their best with what they had to work with, and it actually worked pretty well judging by the 60-win seasons (and being in a good position vs GSW prior to the injury).
I agree about moving Tony to get more help, but you don't think they considered that? Maybe there simply weren't any better options. They can't control whether players want to play in SA - aside from winning, which is all they've done for 20+ years. If being the most successful franchise in pro sports for 20 years isn't enough to bring in the big name free agents, nothing will.
It didn't just look like that at times, it's exactly what the offense devolved into when defenses dug in. While it isn't what PATFO wanted I'm sure, the fact that's how it ended up still makes it partially their fault for not getting/playing the personnel needed to either change the style of support it with better shooters around Kawhi or better defenders to take some burden off him.
I'm 100% certain they never entertained the thought of moving Tony; the loyalty factor is a real thing for better or worse. They can't control who wants to play in SA but I'm sure there's been FA's in the near and far past who wanted to but PATFO never considered them viable options for a plethora of reasons (not a cultural fit, not a vet, "hasn't gotten over themselves", etc).
It all comes down to "the right personnel" as you said. Unfortunately, not every team can have the optimal personnel. That seems obvious when you look at things objectively, but it's easy for fans to sit back and smugly declare, "you just didn't try hard enough."
Or maybe they did, and this is just how things worked out.
Like I said, they chose loyalty over everything. While it worked out in the past it isn't now.
You're right, but what was the best case scenario? In a parallel universe optimized for Spurs success, what does the roster look like? There are only so many attainable young point guards with star potential.
There are plenty of young PGS in the league with star potential, with one on the roster in Murray. Optimally Murray would've gotten more playing time last year to get his feet wet. Instead he saw sparse playing time while Parker and Mills were turnstiles on defense and incapable oftentimes on offense.
From that perspective, the Parker injury is a blessing, and Murray is now the starting point guard. Gay is looking to be a great acquisition to complement Kawhi. So things are looking good now, right?
Not with the awful contracts for Gasol and Mills tbh, and I'm far from convinced Pop won't bench Murray in favor of Parker and Mills.
He kept himself in the conversation by not realizing he’s been retired for two years.
I for one don’t care if kawhi wins the mvp.
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