Murray...take the keys

[Chinook]

They increased his priority, but it was still stop Parker at all costs. Do you watch basketball dude?

I feel like you don't. Tony was hurt in 2013's Finals. He certainly wasn't playing like an MVP candidate then.

[SAGirl]

all this discussion on offense is interesting and all but my focus is what DAF86 mentioned (and Manu4tres among others) that defensively Danny/Murray do not have weaknesses. Whereas if you play Murray with an undersized SG like Patty or Bryn, the team will still be fine but won't be great bc of Patty/Bryn defensive limitations, getting posted up by guards, etc. Murray is a starting caliber PG as Danny is a starting caliber SG. They may play with different lineups etc, but they will be at their very best at their ideal spots with a proper complement. In the bench you can hide some defensive liabilities if they can score, and even these sometimes need minutes limited if they are getting exploited in the playoffs.

[dabom]

I feel like you don't. Tony was hurt in 2013's Finals. He certainly wasn't playing like an MVP candidate then.

Even when parker was in 2014, he still commanded that respect from Lebron. In 2013, it was all Tony dude, he had the magic then, hurt or not hurt.

Anything else is revisionist history.

[dabom]

all this discussion on offense is interesting and all but my focus is what DAF86 mentioned (and Manu4tres among others) that defensively Danny/Murray do not have weaknesses. Whereas if you play Murray with an undersized SG like Patty or Bryn, the team will still be fine but won't be great bc of Patty/Bryn defensive limitations, getting posted up by guards, etc. Murray is a starting caliber PG as Danny is a starting caliber SG. They may play with different lineups etc, but they will be at their very best at their ideal spots with a proper complement. In the bench you can hide some defensive liabilities if they can score, and even these sometimes need minutes limited if they are getting exploited in the playoffs.

Being a smaller player doesn't mean you are a negative player you stupid . You just alluded to that.

[SAGirl]

Being a smaller player doesn't mean you are a negative player you stupid . You just alluded to that.

you stupid ^^^??

Are you going to argue Patty/Forbes are defensive players, are you going to say they are starting caliber SG? ARe you saying they are better than Danny? bc if you are... you stupid ... I care nothing for your ignorance.

[MaNu4Tres]

Murray does his part, but he's not the HOTS or anything (by that I mean the literal acronym, not Parker). Most teams aren't going to react too quickly, which is why Murray has been played by worse defenders than Green has so far. Most coaches gameplan to stop Green from shooting, and if they do it right, they can stop him with a bad defender if that defender plays disciplined D. However, a Green that posts up, takes guys off the dribble and fires good passes requires a better guy.

In 2013, Green was checked by Steph until Game 3 when he dominated Curry on the boards and beat him up on screens. It forced them to switch Klay off Tony, because their first option was getting wrecked on both ends and eventually went out with injury. A similar thing has to happen to give Murray favorable match-ups. Sure, he may be good enough to score regardless, but that's a different debate.

Most teams don't have two great wing defenders to check Kawhi and Murray. The best will defend Kawhi. And DeJounte gets to hound the point guard on defense -- where, not only himself, but the the team has a huge edge when he's the man defending the PG. Go look up the defensive advance stats with him on/off the floor without Kawhi. He's becoming a monster on that end right before our eyes and no he wouldn't have that kind of impact chasing around and defending players bigger than him. As I said since last season the point guard position is where he has the highest ceiling, and no he would't have the same impact on D defending bigger players.

[Chinook]

Even when parker was in 2014, he still commanded that respect from Lebron. In 2013, it was all Tony dude, he had the magic then, hurt or not hurt.

Anything else is revisionist history.

He didn't. Green was on his way to a possible fMVP while Tony was shooing in the low 40s. Sure, Parker passed better than Manu did, but of course, who didn't? Tony went for about 16 points on about 18 possessions.

[dabom]

you stupid ^^^??

Are you going to argue Patty/Forbes are defensive players, are you going to say they are starting caliber SG? ARe you saying they are better than Danny? bc if you are... you stupid ... I care nothing for your ignorance.

There is offense in basketball you stupid , and people argue it is the bigger impact wise. Same reason Fathead is trash.

[SAGirl]

Triggered.
Dabom is almost a worse troll and forum stalker than Tholdren with Timdunkem. tholdren doesn't descend to his levels of slur.

[dabom]

He didn't. Green was on his way to a possible fMVP while Tony was shooing in the low 40s. Sure, Parker passed better than Manu did, but of course, who didn't? Tony went for about 16 points on about 18 possessions.

Green was never winning FMVP. He is a role player. They were winning games because of Parker. Take out parker and the Spurs lose by more than losing danny. One is a role player, and the other an MVP Candidate.

It was either Parker in game 6 or Duncan in game 7.

[dabom]

Triggered.
Dabom is almost a worse troll and forum stalker than Tholdren with Timdunkem. tholdren doesn't descend to his levels of slur.

You are one of the worst posters on this site.

Always being wrong, just started watching basketball 3 years ago.

You keep talking about defense and saying Patty is a bad player.

There is offense and defense. That's why fathead is a human victory cigar in the playoffs, while Patty is playing with the best players.

[SAGirl]

won't descend to that level. slur.

[dabom]

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Chinook]

Most teams don't have two great wing defenders to check Kawhi and Murray. The best will defend Kawhi. And DeJounte gets to hound the point guard on defense -- where, not only himself, but the the team has a huge edge when he's the man defending the PG. Go look up the defensive advance stats with him on/off the floor without Kawhi. He's becoming a monster on that end right before our eyes and no he wouldn't have that kind of impact chasing around and defending players bigger than him. As I said since last season the point guard position is where he has the highest ceiling, and no he would't have the same impact on D defending bigger players.

No one's arguing whether he'd perform better matched up with worse players. That's obvious. The question has always been about the rest of the roster/lineup. You know I have no interest in Murray becoming the starting two, so my horse isn't racing on that track. The question has always been about if Murray could play the two if the Spurs had a chance to get another PG. Originally, it was you claiming the team was going to let Mills walk to give DeJounte the ball, which of course didn't. It's looking like it should have happened, but we'll see.

I support getting the best five guys out there and not playing Murray at the one just because. It just so happens that Murray at the one IS part of the best five until further notice. But that may not be the case forever. Had Patty not fallen off, him and Murray as a guard combo would have looked a lot better than Murray and Simmons/BP.

[Chinook]

Green was never winning FMVP. He is a role player. They were winning games because of Parker. Take out parker and the Spurs lose by more than losing danny. One is a role player, and the other an MVP Candidate.

It was either Parker in game 6 or Duncan in game 7.

It's so strange hearing you irrationally defend Parker in that game. No one's giving fMVP to a guy who played like Tony did in that series. Tim had a definite chance, but only because Green paved the way for him.

[coachmac87]

Chinook running circles around Dabom in bball knowledge...

And yeah I know what you're already gonna say so try again...

[dabom]

It's so strange hearing you irrationally defend Parker in that game. No one's giving fMVP to a guy who played like Tony did in that series. Tim had a definite chance, but only because Green paved the way for him.

I've always loved Parker, just not in 2014 and on. I've said many time 2012/2013 MVParker was the engine. Every time he left the floor, the team got worse. He was the floor general. Parker was the number one defensive assignment for 2013, and maybe green gets a tougher game plan than previously for 2 games but not at the level that MVParker commanded. Not by a long shot.

[dabom]

Chinook running circles around Dabom in bball knowledge...

And yeah I know what you're already gonna say so try again...

Chinook is actually always wrong around here.

Even he will tell it.

Bad posters need to stick together.

[SAGirl]

Chinook running circles around Dabom in bball knowledge...

And yeah I know what you're already gonna say so try again...

it's not difficult to run circles around him, dude is a bad troll.. he's just annoying as " " and it gets tiresome... plus it's a waste of time.

[dabom]

People always hating cause I'm right.

Should be appreciating the poster.

[Laughing Gravy]

Dabom = mental midget attention .

Fact

[coachmac87]

Chinook is actually always wrong around here.

Even he will tell it.

Bad posters need to stick together.

It's not about being right or wrong you insecure low life ....

He's bringing up solid points to which you can't counter because you don't know any better....

Nobody cares if you're a good poster or not bruh..not even your mother

[dabom]

Why is it the low tier posters always hating on me?

The real posters know I'm legit.

[Calispursfan11]

Why is it the low tier posters always hating on me?

The real posters know I'm legit.

This is true. You have been around a long time and posted some solid thoughts. They should respect you more.

[dabom]

This is true. You have been around a long time and posted some solid thoughts. They should respect you more.

Thanks brah.