When exactly did that happen? Cause it just seems Murray is still very much learning the ebb and flow of the game and struggling to pick his spots when the opposition packs the paint.
Originally Posted by UZER His struggling has a Pop feel to it.
Guy starts off playing well doing what he does. Pop gets in his ear because it's not necessarily how he "wants" him to play. Player starts struggling.
After all the "I want you to be like Chrissy Paul" fertilizer.
Pretty sure he just said he wanted him to study Chris Paul. Just in terms of managing the game out there, being under control, etc... Kawhi has studied several different guys per Pop as well (Bowen/Barkley/Jordan, etc..), it's only made him better.
Guy starts off playing well doing what he does. Pop gets in his ear because it's not necessarily how he "wants" him to play. Player starts struggling.
After all the "I want you to be like Chrissy Paul" fertilizer.
IMO, people need to stop blaming Murray's issues on other guys, and realize he's still got some maturing/developing to do.
Truth right here.
Chrissy Paul is a terrible example of playing style for Murrays natural talents imo.
Control freak vs free wheeling. Btw how has Chissys Control Freaky worked out? Ya a bunch of regular season stat padding. Does not help the TEAM.
I do agree this should not be all put on Pop and yes Murray has plenty of development to go.
Young Tony Parker is the best player for Murray to study, imo...
Very underwhelming, I must say. The sample size is getting larger and it is only cementing the fact that he hasn't graduated beyond a third string guard (Patty, Austin Toros Parker, Forbes, BP3 have all earned minutes at his expense in the last couple of weeks)..
I don't think Kawhi coming back will change anything regarding his consistent lack of "game feel" with his poor dribbling fundamentals or something remotely resembling a mechanically-sound stroke/"jump shot"..
It is only about patience with the kid right now..
1/8 of the season in...
Time to shut him down...
Patty is 29.. Parker is 35... Dejounte turned 21 less then 6 weeks ago. How many 20-21 year old PG's you see starring in today's league? Give him some time. He's already a better defender than the other 2 combined.Very underwhelming, I must say. The sample is getting larger and it is only cementing the fact that he hasn't graduated beyond a third string guard (Patty, Austin Toros Parker, Forbes, BP3 have all earned minutes at his expense in the last couple of weeks)..
I don't think Kawhi coming back will change anything regarding his consistent lack of "game feel" with his poor dribbling fundamentals or something remotely resembling a mechanically-sound stroke/"jump shot"..
It is only about patience with the kid right now..
You read "3rd string guard" in my post, right?
Porker or forbes better than Murray.
He looks basically the same as last year.
To be fair, he added the Dabom curse to that...
Dwe are watching a league where dangleo russell is a superstar... this is awful
A) D'Angelo is far from a "Superstar"
B) He was the 2nd overall pick
C) He's only played for horrible teams with little to no expectations. Easier to put up #'s that way. (He's averaging 18 FGA a game to avg 21 pts)
D) He's literally one of the worst defenders in the league
If Forbes, BP3 and/or White can develop, I'd think about having Murray concentrate on corner threes and turn him into a wing. Continue adding strength, continue to get O-boards, and develop a corner three and he might be an excellent wing. I think some poster already suggested that. Murray is an enigma - very good basketball athlete, but marginal basketball player. Bryn and BP3 should definitely put pressure on Dijon. But I kind of doubt that Pop would drop him as a PG, however.
What has been specially revealing to me is that White was a SG the few minutes I saw him in the gleague and when he’s played next to Dijon, DJ is always the PG and White is off the ball. I started noticing this bc Chinook asked about White. There’s a chance Pop does see him as the PG of the future and they are willing to e patient wth him due to his youth, his allege work ethic and how willing he is to learn.
I always appreciate your scouting of the G-League and sharing your observations. Adds a lot to the discussion.
So, thanks for your observations about the Dijon/White combo. After watching Dijon for over a year now, I have really waffled in my opinion. If he was going to be the PG of the future, I was all for just giving him the keys and the tough love to force feed him last year. But with some new pieces on the team and a year to observe him, my current at ude is this: Dijon's best skill may be rebounding, so why force him into a fairly unnatural position as a PG that would devalue one of best innate skills?
U guys are tripping... He is clearly a point guard... Just clearly not fully developed... He has elite dribbling skills, just needs better control... But he gets to the rim at will, and makes some nice reads... Let's stop trying to make him Chris Paul... He is more in the lane of a Parker... Parker is the a great passer, he just doesn't take risks with his passes,and he has been here FOREVER, so he knows the offense... DJ is in his second year and hasn't played a full season after one year in college... He will get it... Our impatience has caused us to let go players that end up being pretty good when other teams give them freedom... We can afford that right now with Parker being done
Its pretty easy to see where Tony's minutes are going to come from when he gets back...
Spurs need to keep starting Mills and bringing Murray off the bench. Murray is still a turnover machine and allows other team's bigs to have a block party, but he plays much better off the bench and in spurts, he can be effective until he develops enough to cut his turnovers and improve his jump shot and finishing ability.
mills will start at PG when parker returns and murray and parker will likely share those minutes initially as TP works his way back into shape. if murray continues to improve or show something off the bench then i think he will secure a spot in the rotation. if not...
Murray will have his ups and downs but I have been happy with his progression from last year to this year. His handles are better and he is finishing much better with contact and is able to create his own shot of the dribble. He still has a lot to work on but as long as he is getting better each year I am happy as he was always a 3 year work in progress draft pick
Last edited by BackHome; 11-06-2017 at 05:06 PM.
He averages 2.5 or so turnovers a game... U guys make it seem like he is at Kobe levels of turning the ball over... Lol... We are a better team with him starting and growing... Do u think Tony Parker would have gotten as good so fast if he wasn't starting and playing with the best players on the team? When u play with good players, it takes pressure off of you and allows your game to grow...
Kobe's levels of turning the ball over are 3.0 per 36 for his career. Murray's at 3.2 per 36 this season, after 4.2 last season. Moreover, Kobe's TOV% for his career is 11.6, while Murray's is 20.9. Clearly Murray needs to get much better to reach Kobe's levels.
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