I wasn't able to watch the last three games (coincidentally the games we lost. I bring luck, tbh), so I don't know how bad Murray is doing. But I still trust the guy. He is way too raw, we knew that. The best way for him to develop is playing time. I want to see him alongside Kawhi before making a definite statement about him.
Still a good pick at 29. Just wish we had traded for a second high first rounder. Murray and McCaw would've been a sick up and coming back court.
The best thing for him and Spurs is to move him to SG.
He will have the luxury of not having to press so much and letting the game com to him but he’s not a starting caliber PG until he has a better go to move or shooting.
it seems HOTS will be needed in the SL rather sooner than later... kinda sad... , at his age and with his mileage, I was hoping he could be playing off the bench
Murray is still a very flawed player and probably always will be. At least learn to shoot and he might be serviceable.
I've been harsh on Parker the past few years, but from 2003-2012 I thought he was great. One of the top 5 PGs in the NBA. I didn't really want him to have to push this hard coming back from a bad injury like that. Pop and the FO have really ed him and the team over.
They need to cut someone and get a vet PG or just someone from anywhere, whether it's the D-League or overseas, they need a competent PG.
Do you guys think the plan was to play KL at PG until Tony was back? That's the only thing I can think of for why they didn't get someone with more experience during the off-season, maybe the thought Kawhi, Fatty and Deounte could to it between then. Right now, with KL out and those two in the lineup, we still have 0 good point guards between three people.
Our PG rotation has gotta be the worst in the league at the moment. We'll probably appreciate Tony more when he gets back. Lets hope he has a good solid smart veteran year ala Jason Kidd with the Mavs in 11. As for now let's hope Murray gets his game back when Kawhi returns as there won't be as much focus on him when they're on the floor together.
Last edited by Russo21; 10-31-2017 at 09:26 AM.
I really hope Kawhi can get back soon so that Murray can get some playing time with Kawhi. I think it goes a long way to helping a young PG when they have a star player leading them. I doubt Parker does as good as he did his first few years with us without Duncan on the floor.
That, plus I don't think they expected Patty to play this poorly to start the season.
They can have as many hopes or more as we have about Dijon turning into a starting caliber PG and even an all star, but they have to know that he can't shoot and they certainly saw his ballhandling problems in summer league, so they were under no delusion.
We all have hopes for Dijon, but the plan couldn't have been to start him all the way until Jan or February (remember when Tony's rehab schedule predicted it could take that long for him to come back? Him coming back in the middle of November is a lot better than the initial prognosis).
So I think they thought about Point Kawhi, and increasing minutes for Patty next to Kawhi, while giving Murray token starting minutes and just adjusting his playing time to reflect level of play. He plays well, he gets more minutes. He doesn't, minutes gets cut.
Problem was Point Kawhi got injured, and Patty has sucked. Dijon has had to play bc Patty was so bad too.
this is the answer...Murray and Kawhi will be great together...Kawhi has high Bball IQ on both ends, and takes pressure off of everyone else...same cannot be said for Aldridge who cares to do little else except shoot...
Murray will be a great point guard, we are just putting very high standards on Murray...he hasnt played 82 games yet...and the vast majority of those games, he hasnt played meaningful minutes...most of his minutes were with scrubs...He is just 21...Tony at 21 was better, but Tony is a Hall of Fame point guard...Murray is essentially a rookie, and when he gets it together, he will be a handful to deal with...he has youthful stubburnness and an edge that we need...teammates seem to like him, and i see him being that second coach when Pop is being tuned out...most of all i see him being a beast on defense, and grabbing rebounds and pushing the pace on a regular basis
Fixed.
I think the plan was 50Mills in the SL with Murray off the bench tbh.. then they would have reviewed this in function of Tony come back.
Well that's a plan. Even a casual observer could see that the only attribute that Mills shares with point guards is his height.
how many of you guys were adults when tony and manu were learning to play?
Murray will be fine. The entire guard rotation has been trash these past three games, other than Paul.
The better question is whether Aldridge will ever pass the damn ball. The guy is a black hole and makes it harder on his teammates to score.
He blocked me on twitter. He's a ing child and a poser. I almost feel bad.
You're like 50 aren't you? I'd block your ass too.
More like 50 Cent . Now go make me dinner, woman.
If a player is to become one of significance, no matter how raw they are, I'm a big believer in seeing early glimpses and we've seen some of those in his case. But between the extremely loose handle and the non existent jump shot, I can't remember a PG like this being successful and the fact that he's shown no improvement in either area 16 months after being drafted doesn't inspire confidence.
Smart, Carter-Williams, Dunn, Mudiay, Payton, Exum, are all recent examples of hyped PG's who struggled in at least one of these areas (all were at least willing jump shooters though) and right now Payton is the only starter and he's a low end one at that.
His play making is better than advertised, but he doesn't have the vision of Wall, Rubio or Rondo. He's athletic, but not to the extent of Westbrook, Wall or pre injuries Rose, so what is he? And does it make sense to spend a good portion of Leonard's prime and the remainder of Aldridge's, finding out? Worse yet, does the lack of so much as a competent starting PG become the impetus for Leonard not re-signing?
So you'd rather DJ have burner accounts like KD to argue with people? Why'd he block you? What did you say to him?
The Orlando magic are doing a lot better without Payton currently apparently...
I don't know what to tell you TD21. I will cheer the team regardless. I wanted them to get someone experienced bc Patty was very limited as a creator for himself or others and now it shows. I haven't ignored that he can't create shots against the elite and has struggled in the postseason bc of it. Tony gets injured every postseason. I have probably been one of the most persistent making the claim Murray needs to develop and to play through, even some token time, even as Tony gets back due to how brittle Tony is right now.
Spurs chose this situation. Then you have Manu who was scoreless in the playoffs 5 games in a row and in this case 7 games into the season, he sat one, and there were 2 where he either didn't have a made fg or a very low shooting percentage. Considering the level BP3 is playing at, I could see him at times be a better option too. Anyways, the Spurs have a problem. Right now they have to focus on development bc that is what they chose. Longer term... I question Mills continued fit at his contract price once Manu retires. He has to be a lot better to deserve that contract.
Last edited by SAGirl; 10-31-2017 at 06:12 PM.
Actually, they don't. They can stop prioritizing culture and loyalty to people not named Parker and Ginobili and start prioritizing their superstars prime, by offering Suns: Mills, Murray, Forbes for Bledsoe (contingent on confidence of medical staff in his knees holding up). Spurs would have to wait until December 15th, but if Suns could make a better trade, it would more than likely be done by now.
Stop posting. This sounds a of a lot like sa girl. The problem, again, is that murray was drafted and played as a pg, yet he has no functional pg skills. He cant initiate the offense or dictate pace because hes a terribly low iq player. He has no shot. Hes a 2 and should never bring the ball up the court unless the play is iso.
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