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Working out too much bc he lifts. They said the same about Tigger. Such a demanding "sport".
And for a long time excessive muscle mass was thought to reduce flexibility and coordination. It's why NBA players in the 80s were loathe to lift, since they thought it would affect their shot.Getting in shape hasn't hurt McIlroy yet. As McGregor argues, McIlroy's swing is more consistent, he's tighter in his core, and less reliant on arm and hand strength, which can produce variables in a swing.
You also still haven't supported your case of why running around is so "demanding." Like I said, you have a very simplistic view of athleticism.
Running around while simultaneously performing world class moves is demanding. Real athletes expend insane amounts of energy and still manage to perform at an elite level. In Fatball and Golf you take a couple of swings and are free to chew sunflower seeds and ride golf carts the other 95% of the time. Fatball and golf are games not sports.
There's nothing insane about soccer's 5mph average speed over 90 minutes. Nothing insane about basketball's 400 calorie per hour burn. And your favorite sport, the actual fatball, doesn't tax endurance at all. And pitching is actually more demanding than ANYTHING you see in soccer, basketball, and football. Hitting is more demanding, because of the coordination it requires the athlete to have throughout his entire body. It's so difficult, that the adrenaline buildup you can use as an advantage in other sports, will you up at the plate, since the fine motor skill pressure you are under is A LOT more demanding than dribbling a ball, kicking a ball, shooting a ball, or carrying a ball.
Your argument also disqualifies volleyball players, decathletes, short track sprinters, shotputters, javelin throwers, discus throwers, divers as real athletes. Do you realize how stupid you sound now?
That's just ignorance on your part. Most soccer players lift, especially in the top European leagues. Most have abs, a decent amount of muscle for their weight (especially those of African descent (no racist)), and a ridiculously low bodyfat percentage. They aren't out there looking like middle linebackers but theyre also far from looking like cyclists or marathon runners, tbh.
Even Gaynaldo and Messi:
Volleyball players expend far more energy than fatball players. Track and field events like the ones you mentioned+diving aren't considered major sports, I think everyone realizes that those athletes are specialists. Nothing wrong with that. If fatball stops pretending to be a real, major sport and wants to call itself a league full of specialists (guys that can swing a bat at an elite level) I'd have no problem with that either.
There's nothing insane about soccer's 5mph average speed over 90 minutes. Nothing insane about basketball's 400 calorie per hour burn. And your favorite sport, the actual fatball, doesn't tax endurance at all. And pitching is actually more demanding than ANYTHING you see in soccer, basketball, and football. Hitting is more demanding, because of the coordination it requires the athlete to have throughout his entire body. It's so difficult, that the adrenaline buildup you can use as an advantage in other sports, will you up at the plate, since the fine motor skill pressure you are under is A LOT more demanding than dribbling a ball, kicking a ball, shooting a ball, or carrying a ball.
Your argument also disqualifies volleyball players, decathletes, short track sprinters, shotputters, javelin throwers, discus throwers, divers as real athletes. Do you realize how stupid you sound now?
Starting pitchers can call themselves real athletes but that's about it. Bullpen pitchers are specialists too.
A swole midget is still a midget.
Volleyball players do not. I knew you would overrate the "demands" of that sport just because the ball is in play a lot. It's a sport centered around jumping from static positions, with only a couple of players designated as attackers. Full court volleyball is nowhere close to an endurance sport and doesn't tax you at all in that regard. I'm not saying elite volleyball players aren't great athletes, because they are since they're some of the best jumpers in sports with top tier reaction times, but they do not "have to perform a skill while expending intense amounts of energy."
If the intensity of the game escalates to a compe ive pace, the same person burns 178 calories in 30 minutes.What now?A 160-lb. person who plays baseball for 30 minutes burns 182 calories, according to HealthStatus.
And
Fatball's MVP is like 5-3...
5'6" and is also more athletic than any TwinkTrot player. Dude reaches 22 mph over 90 feet. Usain Bolt reached about 23.5-24 mph over that distance during his world record time.
Nah. There's way more motion in volleyball, therefore there's more energy expenditure. That's common sense.
You can burn 90-475 calories playing softball for 30 minutes.
It depends on how much you weigh, how much you move around, and if you’re playing catch or a playing a game.You can burn 105 – 765 calories playing 30 minutes of volleyball.
It depends on how much you weigh, how much you move, and if you’re playing for fun or compe ively.
And those "skills" are used once or twice a game and the specialists don't have to deal with fatigue.And
That 765 number is probably 2 man volleyball, which is a gimmick form of volleyball. Full 6 on 6 volleyball isn't burning those calories. You don't engage in enough aerobic activity for that to be possible (i.e. you don't run nor continuously jump). Points are over too quickly and then they wait about 15-20 seconds between each serve. Doesn't test stamina at all.
A 15-20 second wait is still a of alot better than sitting on your ass in a dugout chewing sunflower seeds, tbh.
Do Fatball players get ass pads to deal with the long hours sitting in the dugout?
Hitters face about 20 pitches per game. Every hitter. That's the amount of shot attempts an NBA star gets. Fielders perform anywhere from 2-4 putouts per game. AndAnd those "skills" are used once or twice a game and the specialists don't have to deal with fatigue.
Also, mental fatigue and mental pressure>>>>>>>>>>demanding than anything physical. Basketball, football, and soccer can't even compare in that regard. Hardest thing to do in sports is to perform when you get a chance to think about it. Easiest thing to do is combat choking through effort (i.e. running faster, jumping higher). Effort works against you in baseball, which why it's the tougher sport than any of those.
How about when the offense or defense is off the field in the actual fatball for 20 minutes and can be seen eating hotdogs or sucking down oxygen after running 60 yards? That's 180 feet=double. Never seen Fielder or Pablo Sandoval demand oxygen after lacing a double
That's a stupid thing to bring up. If all shooters did was shoot they wouldn't be athletes either. It's not like anybody considers a 3PT shooting contest anything more than just a silly game. OTOH, that's literally all fatball players do aside from fielding 2-4 plays. They probably just stare and don't move for about 30-40% of the pitches they face too.Hitters face about 20 pitches per game. Every hitter. That's the amount of shot attempts an NBA star gets. Fielders perform anywhere from 2-4 putouts per game. And
Also, mental fatigue and mental pressure>>>>>>>>>>demanding than anything physical. Basketball, football, and soccer can't even compare in that regard. Hardest thing to do in sports is to perform when you get a chance to think about it. Easiest thing to do is combat choking through effort (i.e. running faster, jumping higher). Effort works against you in baseball, which why it's the tougher sport than any of those.
My guess is they want to be ready in the event that they have to go out there quickly if a turnover occurs. I'm sure if they had a guaranteed hour (atleast) of sitting in a dugout+standing around playing "defense" like fatball players do after an at-bat they probably wouldn't use oxygen either.How about when the offense or defense is off the field in the actual fatball for 20 minutes and can be seen eating hotdogs or sucking down oxygen after running 60 yards? That's 180 feet=double. Never seen Fielder or Pablo Sandoval demand oxygen after lacing a double
Swinging is a much more total athletic event than shooting, one of the most total in sports. You probably think it's "easy" because you can slowly swing a bat (you probably think you're swinging real hard, but you aren't) and hit a slowly pitched softball weakly, but if we put a swing speed sensor on your bat, you'd probably generate 30mph and have terrible technique to boot. Elite baseball players generate 90-100mph.That's a stupid thing to bring up. If all shooters did was shoot they wouldn't be athletes either. It's not like anybody considers a 3PT shooting contest anything more than just a silly game. OTOH, that's literally all fatball players do aside from fielding 2-4 plays. They probably just stare and don't move for about 30-40% of the pitches they face too.
What's the difference between jogging up and down the court 20 times vs. swinging a bat 20 times? And like I said, hitting is the more demanding athletic trait because of the precise full body coordination it requires.
Sure they do
You never played football, did you? There's absolutely nothing tiring about it unless you are significantly overweight (any activity tires out overweight people). They do have a guaranteed hour. Half time is 15 minutes and there's 60 minutes of commercials every game. And sometimes drives can last 30 minutes before possession switches.
I mean you made the comparison to shooting not me. I can concede that the energy expenditure+athletic demands of hitting is more than that of shooting. When you factor in the entirety of basketball it flips pretty quickly though.
Do you know what the definition of guaranteed is? What happens if the offense turns it over on the very next play or they go 3 and out?Sure they do
You never played football, did you? There's absolutely nothing tiring about it unless you are significantly overweight (any activity tires out overweight people). They do have a guaranteed hour. Half time is 15 minutes and there's 60 minutes of commercials every game. And sometimes drives can last 30 minutes before possession switches.
You don't see oxygen masks in lower levels. I don't even think I've ever seen them in a college game. I'm pretty sure this is just a case of NFL teams using them bc they are billion dollar industries that will spare no expense to keep their bread and butter (players) in top form, and not bc they are so out of shape that they'd collapse otherwise. That's just a stupid, desperate suggestion.
5 on 5 basketball isn't really that high octane. The players who move the most in basketball (PGs) average less than 5mph over the full game. Basketball could be played every day. There's been studies that show that players don't see any drop in production on back-to-backs. What screws up players the most is actually travel. That's why I'm puzzled that you bring up fatigue to make your case. Basketball's endurance demands are nothing extraordinary to the point of worth mentioning. It's not a triathlon.
I see it like this (athletically demanding): Hitting>shooting, chasing down fly ball at max sprint/max sprint around bases>dribble drive penetration or getting back on defense, throwing>passing and shot blocking, jumping to catch ball=dunking, one-on-one defense (lateral quickness)>breaking on fly ball, infield ground ball. The "amount used" argument is silly. End of the day, the athleticism is used and that athleticism needs to be in peak form to meet a certain standard. This is why you ignore the decathlon example. They only "get to use their athleticism" a few times per meet over two days and don't battle any fatigue. But only a complete loon would say they aren't real athletes.
No, it's because NFL players are significantly fatter than players at the lower levels. Fat lineman recovers a fumble, trots 40 yards, and then needs to suck down Oxygen. He'll also get a 5 minute guaranteed break since the extra point/commercial/kickoff/commercial takes about that long. They need the oxygen because running 40 or 50 yard is demanding for them. Oh, and after hitting a double and running 60 yards, yeah, Pablo Sandoval might have to max sprint again within the next minute or less if the next batter gets a basehit.Do you know what the definition of guaranteed is? What happens if the offense turns it over on the very next play or they go 3 and out?
You don't see oxygen masks in lower levels. I don't even think I've ever seen them in a college game. I'm pretty sure this is just a case of NFL teams using them bc they are billion dollar industries that will spare no expense to keep their bread and butter (players) in top form, and not bc they are so out of shape that they'd collapse otherwise. That's just a stupid, desperate suggestion.
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Fatball is so "high octane" and extraordinarily demanding that they even play 2 games in the same day
And let's check out the athleticism of hitting.
In testing skilled, elite weightlifters Garhammer discovered that the power output in terms of the benchpress for a male during a one repe ion, max load lift is four watts per kilogram of bodyweight. As it applies to the deadlift and squat, the number increases to 12 watts per kilogram of bodyweight.
Taking those numbers and applying them to different body weights, we see the power output for an 85 kg male (187 lbs.) is 340 watts for the benchpress and 1,020 watts for the the deadlift and squat (these numbers are represented in the chart at the top of the page).So swinging the bat is the equivalent of one max load dead lift and three times as much as a max load bench press. MLB players can apply up to some 2500 watts, so they are doubling the expenditure in that regard. And often times, a player can have a 10 or pitch AB where he fights off multiple pitches.Going back to Garhammer’s study, a 187 lb. male, who is an elite-level weightlifter applies 1,020 watts of energy during a squat or a deadlift. Similarly, the Top 20% of SwingTracker users at the high school varsity skill level apply an average of 1,185 watts of energy to the bat during the swing, while the average high school varsity skill level applies 830 watts of energy.
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