Shooting at TX church outside SA; 27 dead

[apalisoc_9]

whiteSIS strikes again

[hater]

More ignorance... and obstinate insolence to boot.

Again, what about the mass shooting of people doesn't qualify as being a mass shooting event? The concept doesn't change just because it's down in Mexico. Get out of here with your modifiers. The folks on the buses in San Fernando were in no way tied to the "drug war" they were simply murdered because they REFUSED to be a part of it - over 300 people passing through that town were abducted, pillaged, burned, raped, mutilated, maimed, tortured and finally executed. I know the survivor of one such "round up" - he wasn't a member of any cartel, and was sucked into the drug violence. It's a very real problem with no signs of slowing down. Money from the cartels is corrupting many government officials and the people don't know who can be trusted any longer. Your comment is ignorant and devoid of context. Did you literally try to compare the brutal execution of people to self-inflicted over-doses?

Sure thats brutal

So is pulling the trigger on an assault weapon and hitting over 100 innocemt concert goers or church folk

Build that wall

[hater]

whiteSIS strikes again

But but mexican drug gangs..

[baseline bum]

LOL hater trolling Trumpers as well as he did Clinton voters.

[hater]

LOL hater trolling Trumpers as well as he did Clinton voters.

U ma nig too bro

But im not really trolling. Sure things are messed up in mejico but so are they here. Build that damn wall. Keep drug dealers in mexico and the white devils in the US. Win win

[vander]

Banning guns isn't going to solve anything.

There's just been a disgusting trend of messed up people who, following in the footsteps of all those cowards before them, have all the more the courage to be cowards & to showcase their cowardice to the nation. In the interest of fame, or whatever it is they're seeking. Ban guns? You'll just see that cowardice manifest in other ways. We've already seen it: cars plowing into crowds, home-made bombs.

So it always comes back to: how do we as a society--communities, families, etc.-- prevent these sorts of people from becoming what they are. Because we'll keep churning out people like this & witness their cowardice the longer we avoid that discussion & deflect the blame on guns.

I agree with this, why is America churning out more and more of these hate-filled antisocial weirdos? this is the problem

[Gagnrath]

Ok so this guy was a crazy wackjob, who because of a paperwork error on his felony assault and domestic violence charges was allowed to purchase firearms. (Though the whole prosecution of his charges in that airforce case sound weird, the type of court martial he was subject to is usually for misdemeanors, and fairly petty ones, they usually don't have juries, his did, the charges he faced can be either felony or misdemeanor, but if you are fracturing your infants skull and they need surgery to fix the swelling of the cranium, that's felony charges. He got a plea deal and received a felony level sentence, (though basically the least felony level sentence.) But a bad conduct discharge happens because of misdemeanor level stuff and usually a lot if it. (Other than Honorable for a couple of boys will be boys misdemeanors and you aren't a good soldier/seaman/airman is pretty common.

I personally know of a guy who got an other than Honorable for drunkenly assaulting the Security Forces, drinking underage, driving intox and destruction of government property.

So this guy for me it sounds like he reached a plea deal where they classified everything as a top level misdemeanor on paper and just got rid of his ass not really realizing that they were returning a major -up to normal society a year later.

[pookenstein]

... till we find out what the is going on

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[AFMadison]

Not a dishonorable discharge. Not illegal for him to have or buy guns.

EDIT: Ah, you saw it.

Not sure what you mean, one poster said it wasn’t but all that I’ve heard is that it was a dishonorable discharge which would mean that he couldn’t legally own a gun.

[AFMadison]

And if there is ever a time we need to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government, it's right this minute with that crook in charge in DC.

Nice bait, nice.

[AFMadison]

So what! Let them be armed. People who have illegal guns are usually gangsters who just shoot themselves. Columbine, The Pittsburgh movie theatre shooting, SANDY ING HOOK, the shooting of Gabby Gifford and on and on....legal firearms.

Well the point I’m making is this.... the people who committed those crimes, would they obey a gun ban?

[AFMadison]

Umm not in this case

Had guns been banned this guy woukd not have been aboe to buy them as he did.

This case would have definitely not happened had guns been banned

Not true. Simple as that. As an owner of 3 assaults, 3 pistols, and 2 shotguns, it’s not hard to purchase firearms off the streets. Not saying i did, but ya feel me?

[boutons_deux]

Huh????? You haven't proven your point in the least. It applies to militias period. It applies the "security of a free state". Without the, as you said, Feds unable to afford an army there wouldn't BE a 2nd amendment, so I go back to my original point

Also has anybody read lately about the Sandy hook shooter? Thats one sick using his 2nd amendment rights.

the "free state" is USA, not paraoid individual states ARMED against the USA.

Racism and slavery also created a big part in the 2nd Amendment to satisfy the slave-dependent states.

The militias were very often nothing but escaped slave-hunting posses, which the slave holders insisted that the slave hunters right to bear arms not be infringed.

Later the slave-hunters were organized by the 19th century's 1% into what we now call the police. Today's police are still gunning, successfully, for slave descendants.

[hater]

Not true. Simple as that. As an owner of 3 assaults, 3 pistols, and 2 shotguns, it’s not hard to purchase firearms off the streets. Not saying i did, but ya feel me?

It is way harder than going to d store and charging it

Way harder

The facts tell us there is no church shooting if these guns are banned

[BackHome]

No supply and demand just like drugs if you want it you can get it. An this shooting would not have happened had the Air Force not ed up.

[skulls138]

Supply and demand? You mean because guns are legal...we need guns to protect ourselves?

Also, happens. Its only the Air Forces fault for not doing the paperwork right. Its not their fault for these deaths. Thats the fault of the shooter and inexplicable need for the population to have guns.

[boutons_deux]

No supply and demand just like drugs if you want it you can get it. An this shooting would not have happened had the Air Force not ed up.

DD means one can't buy guns but not that owned guns must be surrendered, a huge loop hole

[AFMadison]

It is way harder than going to d store and charging it

Way harder

The facts tell us there is no church shooting if these guns are banned

Yes. Because we all know criminals obey the laws.

[Pavlov]

Not sure what you mean, one poster said it wasn’t but all that I’ve heard is that it was a dishonorable discharge which would mean that he couldn’t legally own a gun.

Pretty sure it was a bad conduct discharge. The Air Force didn't send the right information to the FBI about his offenses to ban him.

Not sure if it matters that much. He could've just gone the private sale route.

[hater]

Yes. Because we all know criminals obey the laws.

Still

Way harder to go commit a felony and find the right felons than going to walmart

[Phenomanul]

On July 14th, 2016, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel drove a truck into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, France, killing 86 people and injuring 458 others.

On March 22nd, 2017, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, drove a car into pedestrians on the pavement along the south side of Westminster Bridge in London, UK, killing 4 people and injuring 46 others. After the car was crashed into the perimeter fence of the Palace grounds, Masood abandoned it and ran into New Palace Yard where he fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer.

On August 17th 2017, 22-year-old Younes Abouyaaqoub drove a van into pedestrians on La Rambla in Barcelona, Spain, killing 13 people and injuring at least 458 others. Nine hours after the Barcelona attack, five men drove another vehicle into pedestrians in nearby Cambrils, killing one woman and injuring six others.

On October 31, 2017, Sayfullo Saipov drove a rented pickup truck into cyclists and runners for about 1 mile (1.6 km) of the Hudson River Park's bike path alongside West Street from Houston Street south to Chambers Street in Lower Manhattan, New York City. The vehicle-ramming attack killed 8 people and injured 11 others.

All of those were mass murder events, where the weapon of choice was a vehicle. NEXT thing you know liberal nuts will be calling for a ban on vehicles.

EVIL IDEOLOGIES are the source of these acts of violence - not guns.

[RD2191]

On July 14th, 2016, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel drove a truck into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, France, killing 86 people and injuring 458 others.

On March 22nd, 2017, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, drove a car into pedestrians on the pavement along the south side of Westminster Bridge in London, UK, killing 4 people and injuring 46 others. After the car was crashed into the perimeter fence of the Palace grounds, Masood abandoned it and ran into New Palace Yard where he fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer.

On August 17th 2017, 22-year-old Younes Abouyaaqoub drove a van into pedestrians on La Rambla in Barcelona, Spain, killing 13 people and injuring at least 458 others. Nine hours after the Barcelona attack, five men drove another vehicle into pedestrians in nearby Cambrils, killing one woman and injuring six others.

On October 31, 2017, Sayfullo Saipov drove a rented pickup truck into cyclists and runners for about 1 mile (1.6 km) of the Hudson River Park's bike path alongside West Street from Houston Street south to Chambers Street in Lower Manhattan, New York City. The vehicle-ramming attack killed 8 people and injured 11 others.

All of those were mass murder events, where the weapon of choice was a vehicle. NEXT thing you know liberal nuts will be calling for a ban on vehicles.

EVIL IDEOLOGIES are the source of these acts of violence - not guns.

Yeah, because we ended World War II with a truck attack. and guns are the problem, only an idiot would argue otherwise.

[Phenomanul]

^^^ Deflection

[Phenomanul]

We fought WWII against other EVIL ideologies (Nazi fascism, Italian fascism and Shintoist Japanese imperialism).

OF COURSE weapons were used. Only an idiot would argue otherwise.

The real enemy, however, wasn't a nationality or a race - the real enemy was the embodiment of these evil ideologies.

[boutons_deux]

EVIL IDEOLOGIES are the source of these acts of violence - not guns.

Tobacco and alcohol profits kill 100Ks PER YEAR, EVERY YEAR, just in USA, and not a peep from You People.

Then add in another 100K dead per year in USA from AVOIDABLE medical errors.