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The problem is people disagree with what ' ed up' is supposed to be...
We can all agree that f*cked up people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.
The problem is people disagree with what ' ed up' is supposed to be...
People might, but professionals have a better grasp on it. That's why it's not left to the layman to decide if someone is psychopathic or has some mental disorder. It's up to professionals. Often times these individuals have gone under the light of examination by professionals, then the system around the professionals just files it away as the pathways to total forgiveness and forgetness multiply.
You look at these crazy ers who do this , most of the time no one is surprised they did it, only at the shocking nature of the act itself. But we cannot profile people, that would be wrong. Instead, we should ban guns from everyone so we can ensure no one gets offended.
Anyone who is sane knows we're not getting rid of all the guns in this country since there's like 400 billion but like the one in Vegas that was firing 9 rounds a second needs to go obviously. Also the background checks are supported by like 90% of Republicans but NRA continues to lobby against improving them or expanding them. I guess the view would be that people don't trust govt for legit reasons and would assume they would look for excuses not to give people guns or something
religion of peace tbh
Of course. Look at MSM. All you see is how corrupt both sides are, constantly. Someone is on trial all the time, someone under investigation, someone is corrupt. Common folks think that everyone in the government is corrupt. They think everyone in the media is being paid by billionaires who run the government from behind the scenes. Why would they ever trust these people? For some reason, the founding fathers escaped that narrative.
I'm 100% in agreement... that said, I'm also aware that the minute a mental professional tells bubba he can't own guns, you have a major lobby behind bubba to push back.
It's unfortunate that things like consensus are seemingly a bad word nowadays, tbh
You're seen as a pussy and traitor if you agree with the other side. In that long Politico piece on Boehner Obama appeared to actually like him somewhat but they had to sneak Boehner into the back door when they wanted to talk because they couldn't be seen getting along or else it would piss off their bases.
Every week I have to take out the trash. The can is full by the next week though. It's a maintenance process, not a fix. Trash will exist, it needs to get identified and segregated.
Oddly enough that Texas is an open carry state, but I've never seen anyone open carry other than an LEO. I only do it on a ranch while hunting or building blinds, filling feeders and such. No one wants to be that "hero" CNN interviewed. No one wants their life to change that much.
Large gatherings of unarmed people will always be easy targets for people who've decided they want to die. We haven't curbed the suicide rate, there's just a different idea about what to do before you go now. Still waiting for someone to walk into a police station and kill 30 people with a rifle. I don't think it would happen. That said, this ing nut job was after specific people, but probably knew he was going to die in the process so he didn't stop shooting.
Many here think that could never happen to them, as if there's some sign that the event your attending is about to become a bloodbath.
Yeah, it's not about eradicating the problem, but curbing it.
Then again, this is a topic where you get into moral debates, relativism about violence, etc, etc, etc...
A lot of stupid people don't understand the social compact we live in, and will excuse a cannibal drugged up kid that killed his parents and ate them because... "poor kid, he was beat up as a child"
There is a line somewhere that sane people recognize, but seemingly a lot of people do not.
The problem is also technology and information has allowed one Fd up individual to kill a whole bunch of people in a few minutes. It's not just a leader who can take the le of mass murderer.
You're not putting that worm back into the can though...
No one is saying "ban all guns", but banning military assault style rifles really should not offend any non-crazy ers
To clinically erase the issue, just create a Utopian society. I realize that's expensive and difficult, but just start up a multi-billion dollar company and buy an island, start a grass roots movement out there and allow it to leak into the rest of the world.Yeah, it's not about eradicating the problem, but curbing it.
Then again, this is a topic where you get into moral debates, relativism about violence, etc, etc, etc...
A lot of stupid people don't understand the social compact we live in, and will excuse a cannibal drugged up kid that killed his parents and ate them because... "poor kid, he was beat up as a child"
There is a line somewhere that sane people recognize, but seemingly a lot of people do not.
Seriously though, we all know someone who's nearly crazy. We've all dated chicks with ex-BFs who the chick swears would kill people if he had the chance. We all know someone who's ex wife ed them over so hard that you're shocked they haven't done it already. Eventually those people snap. At least a small percentage do. , you only need one or two per state tbh.
Banning evil features like looks of a gun isn't the answer. Sure nutjobs are attracted to cooler looking "military style" guns. They are also attracted to tactical gear.
You know damn well that a semi-auto is a semi-auto. The bump stock from Vegas, that needs to be looked at pretty hard. Things should be examined in the spirit of the law and rights.
Since Columbine, I don't recall reading or seeing any new "crazy er" laws. Not one.
That's always been the case though. Tim McVeigh killed a lot of people with a truck and some fertilizer. Park something like that in front of a church and you kill everyone inside.
If there's a gun problem, it's that uneducated dip s feel empowered by owning them, showing them off, bragging about them. 99.99999999999% of these assholes are benign. That one er isn't bluffing though.
I've never cared about military style carbines. I've owned fully automatic weapons and still do, but it's an investment and fun to shoot. You'll likely never see a 20K dollar rifle used in a mass shooting. These are collectors items. They have NFA laws attached to them already.
A lot of this is copycat. Media makes these assholes out to be superstars by reporting on everything in their existence. These are nobody types that otherwise would die alone in a motel room, a week before anyone checked up on them. They decide instead to go out with a bang because hey, look at the er from Vegas. He's famous now. Same for all the mass shooters, they are famous. They have TV shows about them.
yeah its all CNN's fault
The bump stock should be a no brainer.
Crazy er laws would start by simply taking a few extra steps to get a gun
So, we should make it harder for people to exercise their Cons utional right to defend themselves; brilliant!
Would you buy a bump fire stock for the purpose of defending yourself?
If you would have responded any other way than "but muh 2nd amendment
Here's where psychopaths and sociopaths diverge though. A psychotic person feels no empathy or emotional pressure, whereas a sociopath does. The sociopath is the kind of person you describe, that 'snaps' due to environmental pressure/stress. While neither should have access to a weapon, the sociopath isn't really born one, but it's built as part of the societal environment. Which means anybody can turn into one at any given time (there's a buildup process though). So any attempts at dealing with this from a mental health angle has to include periodical checks for mental health. Especially for people that have large collections or are stockpiling (legal weapons anyways). Yes, it might be a hassle for collectors/enthusiasts, but we do a lot of the same with driver's licenses, etc (and before somebody points out the obvious, that driving is not a right, it doesn't matter: most states regulate rights like the 2nd amendment through licensing, gun free zones, etc, so it's perfectly legal. We have regulations and exceptions even for the 1st, 4th amendment, etc).
On the pure social side, we just can't tolerate these shootings to become the new normal. Yes, this happened a lot in the Far West, or during the Mafia days, when twitter wasn't around and nobody really found out, but we evolved in our social compact to root that out, have a better protected society with a justice system to sort out disagreements through non-violence.
Arguments about black markets, etc, are lazy, IMO. Nobody I know is arguing for a full ban on guns, so comparisons with the war on drugs is just ridiculous. It'd be more like talking about driver's licenses black market, which exists, but most citizens that can obtain one legally, go the legal route. And any black market should be fought vigorously, just as vigorously as defending your right to own a gun for self-defense.
Trump Says Tougher Gun Laws Could’ve Worsened Texas Death Toll
President Trump said on Tuesday that
stricter gun laws would not have prevented the shooting in a Texas church that killed 26 people and that
they could have driven the death toll into the hundreds,
since the gunman was shot by an armed bystander.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2
So, we should be thrilled that America's clinical gun insanity for profit massacred only 26 non-carriers in church.
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