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    The point isn't proving these guys conspired with Russia. The point is to threaten them with 20 year sentences for financial crimes and make them squeal like pigs on anything they know the Trumps might have done/known. They don't even care if its true. Its classic prosecution strategy.
    Bingo. It says something about the caliber of mind for whoever is behind TSA that they can't admit they are wrong, a mirror of Cosmored, if a little less pig-headed.

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    Donald can thank himself for this. When Meuller took over for the fired Comey they knew he would have a wide la ude looking into any federal crimes. So we have really and seriously begun to drain the Swamp. Manafort is in serious trouble. Donald wanted a cleansing, Donald is getting a cleansing.
    Mueller's firing is an impeachable offense, and that completely bypasses the issue of colluding with a hostile foreign power.

    Impeachment, to the founders, was for the kinds of abuses of power that they rebelled against. Attempting to squash an investigation into your campaign fits that perfectly.

    (Decent commentary, from Sam Harris and Juliette Kayyem

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrEertOMZEE

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    She works with Mueller then?

    You're not the first guy to post this video like it's some sort of absolution.

    I've long said the congressional "investigations" have always been a nothing. Both houses are too busy playing their partisan games with each other.
    They also can't step on Mueller's investigation. The "investigations" are short staffed.

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    Avon Barksdale?

    I'm midway thru season 3 btw
    Dear Leader is more like Zig tbh

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    Dear Leader is more like Zig tbh

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    "Mueller's firing is an impeachable offense"

    Repugs don't care about Trash, he's a sideshow, and won't implicate their party by impeaching a Repug Pres.

    Repugs are doing the oligarchy's work of destruction of govt and USA with Trash cooperating fully, offering no obstruction.

    If it were Hillary VETOING oligarchy's bills, regs, then she'd be impeached with months of taking office.

    Repugs impeached Dem Clinton, Dems impeached Repug Nixon.

    Obviously, the Repugs care least of all about Trash's corruption and abuses of power as long as those impeachable offenses don't impede their agenda.

    Same for the 25th Amendment, the oligarchy's kakistrocracy in the Exec branch, the cabinet, ain't gonna 25th Trash, either.



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    Trash campaign associate banned from Wikipedia indefinitely after trying to scrub Russia ties from bio

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/tru...e+Raw+Story%29

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    This is the guy who unknowingly gave information to the Russians concerning Israeli intelligence. He has no time for details. It's possible he gave an entire collusion effort and covering the trail to some underlings, family? But look how many people he has fired. I would have to think something bigger surfaced by now. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

    Meuller is forcing the issue. We will see. I think it's going to be largely financial misdeeds.
    You sure it was unknowingly? And Uday, Cuckner, and Manafort meeting with a Russian government lawyer for official Russian dirt on Clinton wasn't a collusion effort?

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    You sure it was unknowingly? And Uday, Cuckner, and Manafort meeting with a Russian government lawyer for official Russian dirt on Clinton wasn't a collusion effort?
    Yep.

    Trump did not take time or care to realize when he gave the Russians a certain fact in a brag, it implicated Israeli intelligence.
    You are going to have to tie this back to bigger fish and prove this working together. This is very difficult apparently. What there is no doubt of is that the Russians (thru Putin) intentionally Fd with our elections. Not necessarily for any one candidate, just to create distrust and confusion. They put out crap about Trump as well. People like TSA and boots will eat stuff like this for breakfast.

    Bottom line for me is we had an incredibly close election that shows the divisions in a country. The Russians play any distrust up, from race relations, to election stealing. Its a fabulous strategy for a country that has lost so much economically and socially and is run by a dictator. And it works in a free democratic society.

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    Ok, that is funny.

    Plus it gives me the right coding for embedding youbube videos. Double plus good.

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    The scene leading up to that was classic too


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    Ok, that is funny.

    Plus it gives me the right coding for embedding youbube videos. Double plus good.
    Have you seen The Wire? If not, buy all five seasons today or get HBO On Demand, it's the greatest thing ever put on TV.

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    Yep.

    Trump did not take time or care to realize when he gave the Russians a certain fact in a brag, it implicated Israeli intelligence.
    You are going to have to tie this back to bigger fish and prove this working together. This is very difficult apparently. What there is no doubt of is that the Russians (thru Putin) intentionally Fd with our elections. Not necessarily for any one candidate, just to create distrust and confusion. They put out crap about Trump as well. People like TSA and boots will eat stuff like this for breakfast.

    Bottom line for me is we had an incredibly close election that shows the divisions in a country. The Russians play any distrust up, from race relations, to election stealing. Its a fabulous strategy for a country that has lost so much economically and socially and is run by a dictator. And it works in a free democratic society.
    I don't think it will be quite so difficult once they go digging in his finances.

    He was persona non grata after his bankruptcies and had a hard time finding funds from legitimate sources.

    Remember his kids bragged about "Russian money", and the debt on his book are from Deutsche Bank, which has been quietly laundering money through Cyprus for the Russians for years, and one of whose executives just happens to play a fairly major role in the Trump administration.

    Shocker.

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    Have you seen The Wire? If not, buy all five seasons today or get HBO On Demand, it's the greatest thing ever put on TV.
    We just finished the second season of Stranger Things, so may start it this weekend. Going to guess it isn't quite as kid-friendly.

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    Yep.

    Trump did not take time or care to realize when he gave the Russians a certain fact in a brag, it implicated Israeli intelligence.
    You are going to have to tie this back to bigger fish and prove this working together. This is very difficult apparently. What there is no doubt of is that the Russians (thru Putin) intentionally Fd with our elections. Not necessarily for any one candidate, just to create distrust and confusion. They put out crap about Trump as well. People like TSA and boots will eat stuff like this for breakfast.

    Bottom line for me is we had an incredibly close election that shows the divisions in a country. The Russians play any distrust up, from race relations, to election stealing. Its a fabulous strategy for a country that has lost so much economically and socially and is run by a dictator. And it works in a free democratic society.
    There is proof. And its on tape.

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    Also don't give me that "it wasn't favored for one candidate" . Wikileaks hacked the DNC and RNC. And only released files on the DNC.

    Jr offered a deal for Clinton dirt
    Daddy popped in on the meeting
    Trump's Campaign manager had Russia ties
    So did his NSA
    So does his Commerce Secretary directly to Putin's family
    Oh yeah Kushner was discussing using secret Russian Comms
    Sessions met with more Russians and lied about it
    Trump's campaign was meeting with Russians before the election.

    That is just a sample.

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    Yep.

    What there is no doubt of is that the Russians (thru Putin) intentionally Fd with our elections. Not necessarily for any one candidate, just to create distrust and confusion. They put out crap about Trump as well. People like TSA and boots will eat stuff like this for breakfast.
    The Russians had a VERY clear favorite.



    Hillary was absolutely despised in Russian government circles. The rumblings were "if she gets elected, she will push us into war". I can probably find the article, but the balance of their efforts overwhelmingly favored Trump.

    Also consistent with the theory that he has been compromised in some way, as I have come to believe.
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    We just finished the second season of Stranger Things, so may start it this weekend. Going to guess it isn't quite as kid-friendly.
    It's about the Baltimore PD and the drug trade, so yeah, it's not at all kid friendly. But if you haven't seen the series it's one of the sharpest criticisms you'll ever find of what America has become over the last 35 years. The acting is unbelievable and the writing is even better. I don't really want to tell you more about the series because I don't want to spoil things for a series I'm 100% certain you will really like.

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    Hillary was absolutely despised in Russian government circles.
    The only circle that counts is Pootin's, and he hated, hates Hillary because she, as Secy of State, said he cheated, stole the Russian presidential election in 2012, hitting directly at his legitimacy as Macho Man beloved and preferred by his people.

    And it was Hillary's hatchet lady Victoria Nuland who fomented, along with Ukrainian Nazis, the Ukraine revolt that deposed Pootin's puppet.

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    We just finished the second season of Stranger Things, so may start it this weekend. Going to guess it isn't quite as kid-friendly.
    Here is one of my favorite scenes that doesn't have any spoilers:


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    It appears we have reached throw a under the bus time.

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    Wonder why Swalwell didn't quote Page's answer about information released in September 2016

    In a report published September 23, the news outlet cited "multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue" as saying that the individual under scrutiny is Carter Page, a former Moscow-based investment banker whom Trump identified in March as part of his foreign policy team.

    Yahoo News cited an unidentified "Western intelligence source" as saying that U.S. officials have received intelligence reports that during his trip to Moscow in July, Page met with Igor Sechin, chairman of state-owned Rosneft and one of President Vladimir Putin's closest allies.

    Sechin is among numerous Russian officials and businesspeople sanctioned by Washington and the EU over Moscow's annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March 2014 and subsequent backing of armed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

    Yahoo News cited the same Western intelligence source as saying that U.S. intelligence officials have received reports that Page has also met with Igor Diveikin, a right-hand man of Vyacheslav Volodin, Putin's first deputy chief of staff and a key architect of Russia's political landscape during Putin's third term.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/report-us-in.../28010062.html

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    Bingo. It says something about the caliber of mind for whoever is behind TSA that they can't admit they are wrong, a mirror of Cosmored, if a little less pig-headed.
    If the point isn't proving the campaign conspired with Russia then you agree it is nothing more than a witch hunt to bog down Trump's presidency?

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    I read most of the transcripts last night. Page sat in on some speakers at a conference and shook a couple hands after. He didn't have any private meetings and none of his email correspondences gathered under the FISA contradict his statements.

    You claimed to have read the transcripts yesterday....in your own words what bombs s came out of it?

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