Mass shooting Sutherland Springs church

[DMC]

White people need to be sedated , they have murdered more innocent people than any religion or culture combined. Get these gringos some Xanax

The colorful people have had since the dawn of mankind to do something about yet here we are.

[DMC]

It's good at dumping a mag into a crowd of people and that's about it.

If I have to face someone I'd prefer to face someone trying to futz with a bump fire stock that has a higher chance of jamming while I did not.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.


Don't be afraid to give your reasons. I did. It's easy. Nothing to be afraid of.

You ever fired an automatic weapon? I cannot imagine you've ever held something that shoots that fast other than someone's .

[Spurminator]

So then any gun that fires a projectile with enough KE to kill a human should be cost prohibitive?

That's not what I said either. 3rd time's a charm?

[DMC]

That's not what I said either. 3rd time's a charm?

Yeah, you are all so misunderstood.

Scenario:

1. Fully automatic weapon (you said nope)
2. Non-auto weapon (you said nope)

You obviously think a bump fire stock is part of the gun. They aren't. Just an FYI. It's an accessory.

[Chris]

Spurminator would never get to post if he went by that standard.

[ElNono]

It's no so much the fear of a ban on guns, maybe some of that is true but by and large it's the fact that, in order to regulate firearms at that mental health level retroactively, a highly invasive vetting process would need to occur that requires everyone register the weapons they own. That's only a law, not a physical barrier, so only law abiding people would register.

Let's assume for sake of arguendo that the shooter obtained the firearm illegally. Would it have changed the outcome?

I wouldn't care if the military style guns were never sold to the public. Even if another was never sold, you cannot go back in time and mentally check everyone who now owns a gun and probably shouldn't just like you cannot preemptively take the license from the guy in NY who decided to run over a bunch of Argies.

And like I said, with all the talk about gun laws, no one seems to be moving at all on mental health issues. Imagine the feds scoured facebook and twitter to find everyone who posed with a firearm. You'd have half the gangsta wannabes mixed with the nutjobs who show off their hardware, and with those you'd have the collectors and hunters and maybe even LEO and military folks. Again, we all know people who are a few microns off bubble, but we haven't done anything about it. They might even own guns. There are probably people on this forum who we wouldn't be shocked to learn they killed a few people in a fit of rage. Yet here we are, poking the bear.

Well, we could try to address it and start somewhere. But if we do nothing, we can't really expect different results.

[ElNono]

It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

[Th'Pusher]

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

See DMC. I told you that it was just you who didn't get pgrdn's point.

[pgardn]

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

He did not understand.
Bad wording on my part.

If you could explain it again maybe.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, you are all so misunderstood.

Scenario:

1. Fully automatic weapon (you said nope)
2. Non-auto weapon (you said nope)

You obviously think a bump fire stock is part of the gun. They aren't. Just an FYI. It's an accessory.

You're the one inserting full-auto vs non-auto into the discussion. I said "capable of mowing down dozens of people." I'm sure the artillery enthusiasts would be able to determine where all of the various weapons and accessories fall on the kill-many-people-quickly spectrum.

[whitemamba]

The colorful people have had since the dawn of mankind to do something about yet here we are.

Hard to breathe with a rope around your neck. It’s only a matter of time tbh..

Full re .

mental health

[RandomGuy]

So then any gun that fires a projectile with enough KE to kill a human should be cost prohibitive?

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

[boutons_deux]

"Owning a gun should be a privilege"

and expensive, heavily regulated, liability insurance, national database of guns and owners, ownership/sales transfer fees, and severe penalties for violations, including destruction of guns and prison, and esp for losing a gun or gun used in crime or by non-owners to hurt or kill.

[Blake]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

[Chucho]

"Owning a gun should be a privilege"

and expensive, heavily regulated, liability insurance, national database of guns and owners, ownership/sales transfer fees, and severe penalties for violations, including destruction of guns and prison, and esp for losing a gun or gun used in crime or by non-owners to hurt or kill.

90% of the black population in Chicago will be in the clink next year if this happened. Would continue the history of masterhood of the black race by the DemoKKKrats. Good work.

[boutons_deux]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

BigGun paid for enabling such weapons.

[SnakeBoy]

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

Good luck with that. I predict it will happen right after you get single payer healthcare.

[spurraider21]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

How else is Bubba supposed to fight off the US military?

[DMC]

How else is Bubba supposed to fight off the US military?

Bubba is the US Military

[DMC]

You're the one inserting full-auto vs non-auto into the discussion. I said "capable of mowing down dozens of people." I'm sure the artillery enthusiasts would be able to determine where all of the various weapons and accessories fall on the kill-many-people-quickly spectrum.

Accessories cannot mow down people. Artillery? lol

Ban howitzers!

[DMC]

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

You skipped the confiscation and home invasion part that also does away with several other amendments.

[Spurminator]

Accessories cannot mow down people. Artillery? lol

Ban howitzers!

More lazy NRA semantics strategy. "lol accessories don't kill people, people kill people." Most of us advanced past that level of argument in high school debate class.

Progress starts with setting an objective. We don't have to have the entirety of gun legislation written to have a discussion on where we need to go with gun control. Step one is agreeing it is too easy and cheap to acquire weapons that make it easy to shoot a lot of people in a short amount of time.

There are weapons and weapon+accessory combinations on the market that can kill a lot of people very quickly. We both know this. Defining "a lot of people" and "a short amount of time" is step 2.

[Blake]

Yeah but they if they don't have guns they'll just use trucks or poison or really sharp tree branches

[TSA]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

Because we don’t live in the 1800’s

[Spurtacular]

Hard to breathe with a rope around your neck. It’s only a matter of time tbh..


mental health

Fantasy land / trolling, tbh. Not even bothered.