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    MJ won because the league over-expanded and made teams became thinner and more dependent on individual one on one talent (plus superstar calls).

    Lebron won because the league changed the game to make things much easier for perimeter players and allowed him to bully in the lane with no inside presence.

    Both benefited immensely from the league catering to them to make them GOAT candidates.

    On the other hand, players like Wilt and KAJ played like GOATS despite the league changed rules to "even the playing field" (until the Lakers got Magic).

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    Magic was their best player on 4 of their championship squads. Besides your Vin Scully thread neutralizes any argument you could ever make. Easily one of the most dumbest, most pointless threads on this forum. But not a suprise coming from a moron like you.
    You clearly don't get how the Lakers operated. Your argument is a bit like calling Ginobili the best player during the Duncan era. Though, I'd say there's a better case for Manu than Earvin even.

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    MJ won because the league over-expanded and made teams became thinner and more dependent on individual one on one talent (plus superstar calls).

    Lebron won because the league changed the game to make things much easier for perimeter players and allowed him to bully in the lane with no inside presence.

    Both benefited immensely from the league catering to them to make them GOAT candidates.

    On the other hand, players like Wilt and KAJ played like GOATS despite the league changed rules to "even the playing field" (until the Lakers got Magic).
    "Larry Joe Bird beat ever single last real from his era; everybody."


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    "Larry Joe Bird beat ever single last real from his era; everybody."



    "You're supposed to be the GOAT; I swept you twice."

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    "Larry Joe Bird beat ever single last real from his era; everybody."

    Bird was goat before Jordan. People forgot about that. He really was unreal during those few years. Never seen anything like it where he just did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted to.

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    MJ caught Magic's 1991 Lakers when Magic was probably already HIV positive
    That doesn't help your argument at all... He was asymptomatic at that point. Being HIV+ doesn't mean having AIDS (as Magic himself made quite clear).

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    larry bird would be a 2nd tier superstar in this league.

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    Bird was goat before Jordan. People forgot about that. He really was unreal during those few years. Never seen anything like it where he just did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted to.
    Sure and overall he was better than magic for those years ... but magic had the better career, the head2head edge the best single game Finals performance of the two and did that as a rookie. Bird was definitely in GOAT convo circa 1984 ...but magic, jordan duncan, lebron and others have passed him since. And he was never better than Kareem period.

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    Sure and overall he was better than magic for those years ... but magic had the better career, the head2head edge tbe best Finals performance of thectwo abd did that as a rookie Bird was defibitely in GOAT convo circa 1984 ...but magic jordan duncan lebron and others have passed him since.
    come on killa, you know you want to put kobe in that list...don't be scurred

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    come on killa, you know you want to put kobe in that list...don't be scurred
    Bird himself said Kobe was better ...but i say that and thread derails especially with Amb involved, LOL

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    Sure and overall he was better than magic for those years ... but magic had the better career, the head2head edge the best single game Finals performance of the two and did that as a rookie. Bird was definitely in GOAT convo circa 1984 ...but magic, jordan duncan, lebron and others have passed him since. And he was never better than Kareem period.
    Head to head is not a fair argument at all as magic clearly had the better team and a much easier path to the finals.

    Bird’s aura just kind of died off because his prime was before the league really took off (really late 80s early 90s) and people will remember him for the years he was hobbled. They thought bird as that 88 version of bird instead of that 85 version of bird.

    The most dominant primes in nba history were Kareem’s, bird’s, Jordan’s, Shaq’s and lebron’s, but of those, birds, Jordan’s and shaqs peak was truly special as they combined individual and team dominance.

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    Bird himself said Kobe was better ...but i say that and thread derails especially with Amb involved, LOL
    Kobe himself said Austin croshere was better than him. I just couldn’t find the quote.

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