I am officially DONE with PATFO.

[Chomag]

I'm still calling last off season as one of the worst in spurs franchise history. No wonder Kawai isn't in any hurry to get back. Would you want to come back having to carry these scrubs in your prime? Such a waste...FO failed Kawai big time.

[UZER]

Pop is done. He seems pissed he committed to keep coaching the team for sorry ass LMA.

That's why I think he doesn't give a anyone really, hence all the Trump blabbing.

He doesn't want to be on the bench anymore.

[TimDunkem]

I don't think it's possible workout hamstringing the franchise in other ways. How many unprotected picks just to get off my Mills I wonder? And that doesn't even count for Pau.

They've ruined Kawhi's prime with easily avoidable illogical nonsense.

It's sad and unforgivable.

They controlled their own destiny. They had all their picks. They had cap room coming up if they wanted. They had restricted rights on Simmons. They had proof of why they shouldn't sign Mills and Pau to those deals.

But they screwed it all.

That culture tho'.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm still calling last off season as one of the worst in spurs franchise history. No wonder Kawai isn't in any hurry to get back. Would you want to come back too having to carry these scrubs? Such a waste of his prime...FO failed Kawai big time.

Kawhi getting himself primed and ready to dominate the league with Blake Griffin at his side.

[SuperCam]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls

[TimDunkem]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls

But Kawhi is going to come back and win the chip by himself in this antiquated offense!

[TheGreatYacht]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls

1968 offense

Starting Gasol-Aldridge-Ander and wonder why you get outran off the gym

[spursistan]

I don't think it's possible workout hamstringing the franchise in other ways. How many unprotected picks just to get off my Mills I wonder? And that doesn't even count for Pau.

They've ruined Kawhi's prime with easily avoidable illogical nonsense.

It's sad and unforgivable.

They controlled their own destiny. They had all their picks. They had cap room coming up if they wanted. They had restricted rights on Simmons. They had proof of why they shouldn't sign Mills and Pau to those deals.

But they screwed it all.

..

I honestly think last off-season is going to present a watershed in this franchise history down the road (especially if Kawhi bolts, which i think is in play)..What they did simply defied logic..These two POS contracts handed out to Gasol/Mills are worthy of the laughable moves made by sadsacks of bygone era in the mold of Isiah Thomas/Jim Buss (signing/rewarding players based on eye test, reputation, fake leadership etc..)..

They are playing with fire as it'is pretty obvious they are taking Leonard for granted in all of this...

[noles1983]

Operation tank. This season was lost when we resigned Gasol and Patty Mills.

[TheGreatYacht]

Buttercup paper tigers have benefited from a weak ass schedule.

2 wins against the Bulls. A win against the Mavs. A win against the Bobcats. A win against the Suns. A win against the 5-8 Clipps. A win against the Miami SkEAT. A win against a new Wolves team with no chemistry. A win against a fellow paper tiger team in the cRaptors.

All the losses have came to above .500 teams, and the Pacers

[ElNono]

:"I know what we must do...Lock up Patty."

[Ice009]

would the Spurs have had any money to sign someone decent if they didn't waste it on Mills? or were the Spurs over the cap?

[TheGreatYacht]

would the Spurs have had any money to sign someone decent if they didn't waste it on Mills? or were the Spurs over the cap?

Oh, they had money. If Parker/Green got traded, they would've had money for a super max contract

[TimDunkem]

Oh, they had money. If Parker/Green got traded, they would've had money for a super max contract

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty.

[r0drig0lac]

the teams getting younger and athletic, and SA paying a dwarf SG and a Center of 80 years,sad for Kawhi

[bklynspursfan]

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty.

If collison was brought in, fans ( or anti-spurs fans) would complain about PATFO not playing/developing/Trusting Murray.

People will and whine regardless. It's almost as if we're down 2 starters (1 being our MVP) and people wonder why we are starting slow. Anderson/Forbes/Paul/Green/LMA/Gay have all been pretty good overall , some more than others.

Adding Kawhi to the mix with a healthy TP will only make us better. Also, getting someone like Gay was much bigger than a guy like Collison. We need guys with his size/scoring with the ability to switch everything.

[spursistan]

Games like last night show you the team's capped ceiling:

(a) Besides Kawhi, they don't have another "I-got-this" talent who would have taken over and won it for them when everyone was off their game;

(b) they are no longer that well-oiled machine which could win with a "plug-and-play" operation against superior talent (a fact that the media, still living in 2014, seem to be annoyingly oblivious to as they keep extolling "the system" as they go)..


Aside from the very first game against the same Wolves and Raptors; we lost against about every above average team we met..

Not surprised...

[spursistan]

This front office has enough of inflated cachet and reputation around the league and media that no one is going to ask them to explain the fact they are overseeing a team that doesn't have a starting caliber point-guard since Parker fell off cliff in early 2014..

[SAGirl]

If collison was brought in, fans ( or anti-spurs fans) would complain about PATFO not playing/developing/Trusting Murray.

People will and whine regardless. It's almost as if we're down 2 starters (1 being our MVP) and people wonder why we are starting slow. Anderson/Forbes/Paul/Green/LMA/Gay have all been pretty good overall , some more than others.

Adding Kawhi to the mix with a healthy TP will only make us better. Also, getting someone like Gay was much bigger than a guy like Collison. We need guys with his size/scoring with the ability to switch everything.

Good points.
Team surely misses Kawhi and Tony. I am putting that in context and cheering for whoever shows up. I still don't like that Mills contract. Frankly I hate it. All I can do at this point is just hope that MIlls increases his production and steps up more offensively, which is really his role.

[SAGirl]

This front office has enough of inflated cachet and reputation around the league and media that no one is going to ask them to explain the fact they are overseeing a team that doesn't have a starting caliber point-guard since Parker fell off cliff in early 2014..

This is really the problem they have had. Now it's compounded by manu being 40 and not being able to step up consistently either.

If Tony is brittle/injury prone from now on, team will be in trouble. I don't even know what level of play Tony will have from now on after this injury.

[Ice009]

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty.

I remember someone suggesting Collison and I was interested in taking that option. Not sure if I posted that I liked the idea, but yes, I do remember someone bringing up Collison and most people dismissing the idea.

Someone even mentioned Shelvin Mack, who I would have preferred over Mills too as a place holder for Parker.

[MaNu4Tres]

I remember someone suggesting Collison and I was interested in taking that option. Not sure if I posted that I liked the idea, but yes, I do remember someone bringing up Collison and most people dismissing the idea.

Someone even mentioned Shelvin Mack, who I would have preferred over Mills too as a place holder for Parker.

Yeah, not sure who it was either.

After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

This is what I'd prefer.

If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

Murray, Mack, Parker, Forbes


Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.

Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.

Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.

[spursgu]

The incessant ing on here by some. Kawhi isn’t even playing you dumb . Of course they will struggle against winning teams.

[dabom]

The incessant ing on here by some. Kawhi isn’t even playing you dumb . Of course they will struggle against winning teams.

Dam son. Go easy on them. They can't comprehend this.

[dabom]

Any other team besides the Spurs or Warriors that loses their number one Alpha and you would expect a sub .500 team. The fact that it's still a top 4 team in the conference says a lot about this team.