Dang Al Franken is a gropy creeper too

[spurraider21]

do you not understand how much i hate the liberal ideology yet or does it fly right over your head? what's not to get?

No, you've made that part painfully clear

[koriwhat]

No, you've made that part painfully clear

well at least you comprehend something for once.

[koriwhat]

You keep trying to equate tolerating Muslim immigrants with tolerating every ty policy from their countries of origin. It's a ty argument...

i'm right there with dmc on this subject. wolf in sheeps clothing... trojan horse... and those that are blind to it all because they're oh so liberal, open, accepting, PC, and delusional.

[DMC]

They don't. Nobody is advocating for bringing in sharia law when they advocate not discriminating against Muslim immigrants. It's a ty straw man you're trying to build. You keep painting it as some inevitability. It's just a boogeyman

Do you even know what sharia law means?

From Snopes.com

"In sum, Sharia is a faith-based code of conduct that is inseparable from the practice of Islam, yet open to interpretation, adaptable, and responsive to the needs of 2 billion adherents worldwide. Far from presenting an abstract, looming threat to American freedom, it is an integral part of the lives of the some 3.3 million Muslims who call the United States their home."

And you think Muslims don't want sharia?

I think Christians following OT law would be bad. I think Muslims following sharia law would be bad. Both Christians and Muslims have shown capable of discarding both while living in the us. I don't see that changing

"while living in the US" as if Christians were following OT laws until their plane landed at JFK. Nice attempt at equating the two... but no.

By definition, Christians don't follow the old covenant, but the New Testament. Again, show me a Chrisitan society that follows the old teachings you refer to as Christian beliefs and we can debate it. Otherwise you're just using a diversion and ignoring it when the truth is thrown back at you (like you've ignored the question regarding you changing my words to suit your narrative).

You keep trying to equate tolerating Muslim immigrants with tolerating every ty policy from their countries of origin. It's a ty argument and it's going to get called out every time no matter how many times you repeat it combined with some complaint about passive aggressive or ty lawyer

Calling it ty doesn't illustrate just how you can separate sharia from Muslims. I'm still waiting for that. Surely you have the ability to argue better than you are currently arguing. I mean, as a lawyer and all.

[spurraider21]

Do you even know what sharia law means?

From Snopes.com

"In sum, Sharia is a faith-based code of conduct that is inseparable from the practice of Islam, yet open to interpretation, adaptable, and responsive to the needs of 2 billion adherents worldwide. Far from presenting an abstract, looming threat to American freedom, it is an integral part of the lives of the some 3.3 million Muslims who call the United States their home."

And you think Muslims don't want sharia?



By definition, Christians don't follow the old covenant, but the New Testament. Again, show me a Chrisitan society that follows the old teachings you refer to as Christian beliefs and we can debate it. Otherwise you're just using a diversion and ignoring it when the truth is thrown back at you (like you've ignored the question regarding you changing my words to suit your narrative).


Calling it ty doesn't illustrate just how you can separate sharia from Muslims. I'm still waiting for that. Surely you have the ability to argue better than you are currently arguing. I mean, as a lawyer and all.

There are millions of Muslims in the US. They don't practice sharia. There's my explanation of how they can be separated. Proof is in the pudding.

[boutons_deux]

There are millions of Muslims in the US.

6 million

[pgardn]

Because Christian morality is on par with Islamic morality.

Are you really this ing stupid?

I don't judge that .
All I know is I prefer the Judeo Christian way. As I was brought up this way.

I am saying all of these ways have vestiges and even current aspects which put women second class. Another deflection. Especially after your labeling of me as a liberal Muslim lover when discussing Al Franken. You just got ticketed for veering wildly off the road.
Toad.

So let me digress and veer and ask why people are fascinated with your hands?

[DMC]

There are millions of Muslims in the US. They don't practice sharia. There's my explanation of how they can be separated. Proof is in the pudding.

Muslims don't have to practice sharia. It's part of their belief. You can say they don't interpret it the same way, but saying they don't practice it is like saying Christians don't practice Christianity.

[DMC]

I don't judge that .
All I know is I prefer the Judeo Christian way. As I was brought up this way.

I am saying all of these ways have vestiges and even current aspects which put women second class. Another deflection. Especially after your labeling of me as a liberal Muslim lover when discussing Al Franken. You just got ticketed for veering wildly off the road.
Toad.

So let me digress and veer and ask why people are fascinated with your hands?

My hands are warm and reassuring.

[spurraider21]

Muslims don't have to practice sharia. It's part of their belief. You can say they don't interpret it the same way, but saying they don't practice it is like saying Christians don't practice Christianity.

you already defined your ooga-booga boogyeman

According to Sharia law (see links for details):

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia").
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.


Yeah I see how your analogy works...

the millions of muslims in america dont do that

[spurraider21]

this all stems from your moronic take that liberals being ok with muslim immigration is equal endorsing the backwards laws of their countries of origin

[DMC]

you already defined your ooga-booga boogyeman

the millions of muslims in america dont do that

Because it's illegal.

[Spurminator]

Disproving your statement neither shows agreement nor displeasure at the blowback from terrorism. Nice broad stroke you justpainted while trying to show how liberalism doesn't paint broad strokes.

You're angry and you're not making sense.

Don't take sarcastic comments about white men seriously. They're not talking about you.

[DMC]

this all stems from your moronic take that liberals being ok with muslim immigration is equal endorsing the backwards laws of their countries of origin

You've yet to counter with anything intelligent, opting instead to change my wording so you can create a caricature of my actual take.

If you let a child molester in your home, knowing he's a child molester, you're endorsing him whether you like it or not. "But he doesn't practice child molesting since he left his own home"

[Chris]

By calling him surface21 is your position that you have deep, complex, thoughtful positions and takes?

That's certainly your perspective isn't it? 21 is highly intelligent but tends to take a myopic point of view on certain topics when it conflicts with his programming.

[Spurminator]

What if the belief system is that their edict from Allah is to kill the infidel? You're the infidel.

Muslims are more in line with Christians as far as conservatism goes. They don't allow "anything goes", so you need to consider your bedfellows before you sack up.

I think you would do well to get out of your bunker sometime and meet some Muslims. Your characterization is cartoonishly ignorant.

[DMC]

You're angry and you're not making sense.

Don't take sarcastic comments about white men seriously. They're not talking about you.

"you're angry"
"racism is bad"
"white devils!"

Adam Lambert just rolled over in his grave

[Spurminator]

Never even occurs to you guys that immigrating Muslims may want to live in a place where it's not so fundamentalist. You see them as coming here to change America when it's usually because they want to be American.

[CosmicCowboy]

this all stems from your moronic take that liberals being ok with muslim immigration is equal endorsing the backwards laws of their countries of origin

Its,not the laws of their country of their origin, its their core belief system. A catholic from the US and a catholic from anywhere else in the world still have the same core belief system.

[DMC]

Never even occurs to you guys that immigrating Muslims may want to live in a place where it's not so fundamentalist. You see them as coming here to change America when it's usually because they want to be American.

Do you even understand anything about Islam?

[Spurminator]

Do you even understand anything about Islam?

I understand plenty about Islam, and about the tendencies of every religious group to be made up of countless different interpretations. You think you have some kind of manual that tells you how every Muslim behaves but it's no better a predictor than the Bible is about Christians.

Like I said. Talk to a Muslim sometime. Be more of a people person instead of thinking you can understand human nature by reading about it.

[spurraider21]

Its,not the laws of their country of their origin, its their core belief system. A catholic from the US and a catholic from anywhere else in the world still have the same core belief system.

so do you think allowing muslims to immigrate here is tolerating the stoning of s?

[Spurminator]

You've yet to counter with anything intelligent, opting instead to change my wording so you can create a caricature of my actual take.

If you let a child molester in your home, knowing he's a child molester, you're endorsing him whether you like it or not. "But he doesn't practice child molesting since he left his own home"

I missed this gem. Who's talking about letting people with criminal history into the country?

You have the most idiotic analogies.

[pgardn]

Its,not the laws of their country of their origin, its their core belief system. A catholic from the US and a catholic from anywhere else in the world still have the same core belief system.

We have an Old Testament.
It's not a kind do ent. At all.

Some Christians go Old Testament when convenient, some stick to the New Testament for almost everything.

[Chucho]

We have an Old Testament.
It's not a kind do ent. At all.

Some Christians go Old Testament when convenient, some stick to the New Testament for almost everything.

Good analogy.