Official 2017-18 NBA Season Thread

[TD 21]

I just can't see the Wiz trading their emotional leader (as overrated as that term is) for a rental of DeMonkey who wouldn't even elevate their ceiling. Wiz have enough as is to at least be a legitimate threat in the East this year; if the Cavs don't make any moves and everyone else stays as is, they're already better than Boston and Toronto currently and close enough to the Cavs to have a legit shot.

It would obviously be with the intention of getting his Bird rights, so that they could re-sign him. Although they could work out a sign and trade in the off season, but they don't have the flexibility to sign him outright.

As much as I like watching Wall and their greater than the sum of its parts starting lineup, their sub par bench will probably cost them in a series against any of those 3. This wouldn't change the latter, but it should make the former even more formidable.

Think they'd do it in a second. Gortat is in decline, Smith and Satoransky are expensive 11th and 12th men, it's their only path to a significant piece and the only damage is a likely low 20s pick.

[Robz4000]

It would obviously be with the intention of getting his Bird rights, so that they could re-sign him. Although they could work out a sign and trade in the off season, but they don't have the flexibility to sign him outright.

As much as I like watching Wall and their greater than the sum of its parts starting lineup, their sub par bench will probably cost them in a series against any of those 3. This wouldn't change the latter, but it should make the former even more formidable.

Think they'd do it in a second. Gortat is in decline, Smith and Satoransky are expensive for 11th and 12th men, it's their only path to a significant piece and the only damage is a likely low 20s pick.

Even with their mediocre bench I can't see how a choking Toronto team or an overrated Boston team wins 4 out of 7 against a fully healthy Wiz. Imo, Boston is gonna struggle significantly to generate good offense once the postseason comes around and they're much younger than last year's group; you also need to consider the revenge factor in a potential series.

While in decline, Gortat is still more valuable than DeMonkey (at least this season) and trading him opens up a potential rift between the FO and Wall/Beal whom Washington should be much more concerned about keeping together. Wiz should keep their core together and try to add another good bench piece or two.

[raybies]

Grizzlies imploding but geezz bad drafting. then you add the Chandler Parsons contract.

ew

[tonight...you]

I wonder if Memphis is going to go with a Grit 'N Grind coach to replace him (I know he was trying to get the team more up-tempo...), or look toward something else.

[TD 21]

Even with their mediocre bench I can't see how a choking Toronto team or an overrated Boston team wins 4 out of 7 against a fully healthy Wiz. Imo, Boston is gonna struggle significantly to generate good offense once the postseason comes around and they're much younger than last year's group; you also need to consider the revenge factor in a potential series.

While in decline, Gortat is still more valuable than DeMonkey (at least this season) and trading him opens up a potential rift between the FO and Wall/Beal whom Washington should be much more concerned about keeping together. Wiz should keep their core together and try to add another good bench piece or two.

Raptors-Wizards is a tossup, but former has best aggregate best net rating. Celtics' home court and superior depth overcame Wizards last season and they still possess both of those things.

After superstars, playoffs are about having to rely on as few of liabilities as possible. On the surface, this wouldn't appear to help with that, but by further strengthening their starting lineup, it could give them a better chance of outdoing the damage their bench will do.

Jordan is more valuable than Gortat and even though Wall wants a George or Cousins type, Beal and him would probably still be happy with this trade.

[r0drig0lac]

Wizards are one more significant piece away from having a legit shot to win the East . . . and Jordan's not that player. But he'd still upgrade them and show the team that management is serious about trying to contend now. They were probably hoping Pelicans would flop, so they could pursue Cousins. Gasol probably only comes available if he asks out and he'd more than likely require Oubre and an additional 1st.

Gortat is in decline and has periodically griped about being underappreciated.

if this "piece" is a top 10 player, maybe

[r0drig0lac]

It's strange to find the Celtics overrated when all they do is play great defense and ball movement, which is pretty much why SA is so respected in the league

[Robz4000]

It's strange to find the Celtics overrated when all they do is play great defense and ball movement, which is pretty much why SA is so respected in the league

If anything they overpass tbh; even though they have plenty of depth they lack elite scoring and shooting talent outside Kyrie. Their defense is legit, but they struggle to defend big men that can score. If they were to match up against a team like Philly I could see them lose, much less if they play the Wiz or Cleveland.

[r0drig0lac]

If anything they overpass tbh; even though they have plenty of depth they lack elite scoring and shooting talent outside Kyrie. Their defense is legit, but they struggle to defend big men that can score. If they were to match up against a team like Philly I could see them lose, much less if they play the Wiz or Cleveland.

I understand, but I think today the top 3 teams in the East are Celtics, Cavs, 76ers, I do not see any other team guaranteed, although I expected a bigger leap from Milwaukee (maybe with healthy Jabari, who knows)

[Robz4000]

Raptors-Wizards is a tossup, but former has best aggregate best net rating. Celtics' home court and superior depth overcame Wizards last season and they still possess both of those things.

After superstars, playoffs are about having to rely on as few of liabilities as possible. On the surface, this wouldn't appear to help with that, but by further strengthening their starting lineup, it could give them a better chance of outdoing the damage their bench will do.

Jordan is more valuable than Gortat and even though Wall wants a George or Cousins type, Beal and him would probably still be happy with this trade.

We've seen in the past that regular season success means very little to Toronto come playoff time, and since the two last met in the postseason a few years ago the Wiz have improved while Toronto has not. I just don't think Boston has the ability to score enough against the likes of Cleveland and Washington, and their depth could disappear in the playoffs like the early '10s Spurs due to inexperience.

Really don't think DeMonkey makes the Wiz any better than they are with Gortat, at least for this season. Barring some inexplicable trade for a Top-15 player, I don't see how their SL can get any better. Their only avenue to improve is via the bench.

[Robz4000]

I understand, but I think today the top 3 teams in the East are Celtics, Cavs, 76ers, I do not see any other team guaranteed, although I expected a bigger leap from Milwaukee (maybe with healthy Jabari, who knows)

Regular season perhaps, but you underestimate how battle-tested some of these teams are. I give to Toronto for constantly choking in the playoffs but they find ways to win regardless, and the Wiz have the most overall talent outside Cleveland currently in the East.

[r0drig0lac]

Regular season perhaps, but you underestimate how battle-tested some of these teams are. I give to Toronto for constantly choking in the playoffs but they find ways to win regardless, and the Wiz have the most overall talent outside Cleveland currently in the East.

I think we'll have to wait and see, but I think Celtics have the best player (irving), better duo (Irving and Horford) than any Wizards duo, best defense, best coach and especially better depth, I basically do not see anything much in that washington team, think they would lose up to the Bucks in a series.

[Robz4000]

I think we'll have to wait and see, but I think Celtics have the best player (irving), better duo (Irving and Horford) than any Wizards duo, best defense, best coach and especially better depth, I basically do not see anything much in that washington team, think they would lose up to the Bucks in a series.

Horford, and Irving isn't better than Wall either. Boston does have the better coach and defense, but I'm not sold on their depth come playoff time.

[r0drig0lac]

Horford, and Irving isn't better than Wall either. Boston does have the better coach and defense, but I'm not sold on their depth come playoff time.

I see Horford as a super diaw, I do not think Porter or Beal are any better than him, but anyway, they are personal opinions

[TD 21]

if this "piece" is a top 10 player, maybe

Yeah, as much as I like Wall, he's not quite good enough to be the best player on a championship team and outside of '14 Spurs, an all-time ensemble case, that's been what's required to beat prime James, with All-Star help.

Still, if you're close like they are and can get incrementally better without giving up much, you do it and hope you get the requisite luck along the way to get over the hump one of these years.

We've seen in the past that regular season success means very little to Toronto come playoff time, and since the two last met in the postseason a few years ago the Wiz have improved while Toronto has not. I just don't think Boston has the ability to score enough against the likes of Cleveland and Washington, and their depth could disappear in the playoffs like the early '10s Spurs due to inexperience.

Really don't think DeMonkey makes the Wiz any better than they are with Gortat, at least for this season. Barring some inexplicable trade for a Top-15 player, I don't see how their SL can get any better. Their only avenue to improve is via the bench.

Whichever way you'd lean, it's close enough between Celtics, Raptors, Wizards, that any incremental improvement could conceivably swing a series.

Think you're underestimating Wall's ability to have a Paul like impact on Jordan offensively and the fact that they don't really have the assets to improve their bench. They'll probably have to rely on the buy out market.

[raybies]

Both pg and melos previous teams are doing better without them. Coincidence?

[raybies]

[BatManu20]

[raybies]

watching this GS game... sleeper loss. well maybe

[raybies]

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Jack is a bitter loser tbh.

[DAF86]

Stephen Jackson being a per the usual. Getting rid of this delusional mediocre player is probably one of the best coaching moves on Pop's career. We won one as soon as this cancer left the team.

You have to be a special kind of asshole to get people to side with Parsons, tbh.

[raybies]

Frank Mason he deserves to be starting next to Hill.

[raybies]

c'mon kings dont f up

[sasaint]

NBA officiating...