How to rig an election

[RandomGuy]

Easiest way to reduce turnout — ty candidates.

But that wasn't what the Republican officials credited the shifting margins to. They credited the voter ID law for tilting things.

Just....stop, Wile E.

[DMC]

Bush v Gore was specific to voting for Electors for Presidential elections tbh. but even then, the cons ution says that voting rights can't be discriminated... so this whole argument is moot, since the crux if voter ID is the discriminatory effect

people have always had the right to vote for members of the House (17th amendment gave right to vote for senate)

ID laws don't single out anyone based on race, religion, gender, age, etc...

If one sector of the population decides they want to remain anonymous, cannot afford an ID, whatever, that's not covered under the Bill of Rights.

[DMC]

Because we all know that worked out so well in the past. I mean, no state has ever allowed a majority of people to decide that some other group of people shouldn't be able to vote because of an unjust reason.

Because states have been so careful not to take voting rights away from people for ty reasons, no one has ever had to protest, and no one ever got killed or tortured to fight any of these hypothetical unjust laws.

Thanks for pointing out that we can always completely trust states to never pass laws that take voting rights away for ty reasons. We all needed a refresher.

I never said anything about trust but your plea to emotive jargon is duly noted. The facts are what they are. You folks who "ought" your way though life often don't do to change anything.

[spurraider21]

ID laws don't single out anyone based on race, religion, gender, age, etc...

If one sector of the population decides they want to remain anonymous, cannot afford an ID, whatever, that's not covered under the Bill of Rights.

Disparate impact is always something to look for with discrimination claims

[Pavlov]

ID laws don't single out anyone based on race, religion, gender, age, etc...

If one sector of the population decides they want to remain anonymous, cannot afford an ID, whatever, that's not covered under the Bill of Rights.

Poll tax.

[DMC]

Prove this. The case law is easy to find. Quote the portion of the decision that states what you claim. You once again are long on assertions and short on anything resembling proof. Experience shows that when you do this tactic, you cannot do it but will instead wave your hands and failing that resort to ridicule. It's what you do.

Bush vs Gore was about states having different standards for counting votes and ensuring equal protection. Prima facie there is no reason to believe your claim.

You are making a huge strawman and being an idiot about it. No one is saying that the states and municipalities don't decide on what to vote on. What is being said is that if a government vote is being held then citizens within said jurisdiction have a right to vote in it.

“The individual citizen has no federal cons utional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States,”

[DMC]

Poll tax.

"shall not be infringed"

ID required

Gun tax

[DMC]

Disparate impact is always something to look for with discrimination claims

Does the 2nd Amendment fall under this as well, that poor folk cannot exercise their 2nd Amendment rights legally since they cannot afford an ID?

[Pavlov]

“The individual citizen has no federal cons utional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States,”

Is voting for congress in the cons ution?

[spurraider21]

"shall not be infringed"

ID required

Gun tax

poll taxes are explicitly uncons utional. Has its own amendment

[spurraider21]

“The individual citizen has no federal cons utional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States,”

You keep parading this quote as your " a ha! I know something you don't know" moment when it's moot.

you have a federal right not to have a discriminatory voting restriction. Voter ID has been found to be just that

[DMC]

You keep parading this quote as your " a ha! I know something you don't know" moment when it's moot.

you have a federal right not to have a discriminatory voting restriction. Voter ID has been found to be just that

Which protected class does it discriminate against?

[Pavlov]

Which protected class does it discriminate against?

The class protected from poll taxes.

[spurraider21]

Which protected class does it discriminate against?

You can ask the courts that have ruled on that issue

[DMC]

The class protected from poll taxes.

What if the ID was free?

[Pavlov]

What if the ID was free?

Is it?

[DMC]

You can ask the courts that have ruled on that issue

Seven states have enacted voter ID laws. Are they violating the Bill of Rights?

[spurraider21]

What if the ID was free?

If apa's aunt had balls, he'd be ing his uncle

[DMC]

Is it?

I'm asking you. Are you upset at the price or the need for an ID? Be specific.

[DMC]

If apa's aunt had balls, he'd be ing his uncle

At least one of them would have balls.

How much does a an ID cost, any state issued ID?

[Pavlov]

I'm asking you. Are you upset at the price or the need for an ID? Be specific.

I asked you if they are free since you explicitly said too bad if the can't afford it.

Are the IDs that you originally said weren't affordable to some actually free?

Yes or no.

[spurraider21]

How much does a an ID cost, any state issued ID?

Dno tbh. Presumably varies state to state.

[DMC]

You keep parading this quote as your " a ha! I know something you don't know" moment when it's moot.

you have a federal right not to have a discriminatory voting restriction. Voter ID has been found to be just that

Fuzzy said citizens have a cons utional right to vote. I said they don't. Since then it's been "ought to" and "you're eroding the freedoms this nation was founded on!"

[RandomGuy]

My question is, how can you prove there was no voter fraud before ID laws

Can't ask someone to prove a negative. That isn't how it works. e.g. "prove you aren't a child molester".

Burden of proof is on those making the claim. "there is in person voter fraud that requires an ID law to fix" is the positive claim.

[DMC]

Dno tbh. Presumably varies state to state.

Do you agree with background checks and ID requirements to purchase a firearm?