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He would not be a bum but he would certainly not be an all-star. Even Klay/Dray together on the same team built around them would be a good but not great team.
I have never seen a role player to be able to get into all-star games like Draymond has. I do believe Draymond would be a bum on a normal team. I think Klay would still be a 20 point scorer on any other team but would not win many games as a number 1 option.
He would not be a bum but he would certainly not be an all-star. Even Klay/Dray together on the same team built around them would be a good but not great team.
Not even a playoff team in the west.
Yes they would. They have won playoff games without Curry playing before. They are overrated as elite players but they are still really, really good.Not even a playoff team in the west.
I don't know how you can compare Draymond & Klay. Thompson is a spot up shooter who no longer players defense, as good as shooter as he is, he's still a 1 way role player. Draymond is an elite role player - can defend, shoot 3's, collapse defenses by rolling to the rim and being able to pass or finish. You could argue Dwight Howard in his prime in Orlando couldn't create his own shot - was generally a pick and roll player, who could get deep position after rolling, catch, pivot & finish quickly because of his size & athleticism. You couldn't just dump the ball into him in the post & operate. But he was still one of the best players in the league.
Nah they aren't. Next question.
You can look at Harrison Barnes for an example of where this overrated dude is heading if Chef drops his hand...
playoff games? they won a SERIES(Houston) without Curry
That's not really an accomplishment to be honest considering Houston is known to choke and give up. Just look at last year when Harden quit in game 6 against a Spurs team that did not have Parker and Kawhi.
I have, his name is Thompson.
Bump..
At what point does an 11/7 guy who keeps getting regular All-Star nods become a joke? Getting one over Paul George is a travesty..
This guy is a piece of .
I would love it if Kawhi was allowed to play defense like this clown. If Kawhi could foul, grab, push, pull, like this er seems to be able to get away with, Kawhi would be so far ahead of everyone else he'd be looking at winning 5 or 6 DPOY awards in a row.
http://www.espn.com/blog/golden-stat...ll-stars-again
Lowry, Horford, Thompson and Green with another "we have a good record" All Star appearance (DeRozan, Irving, Curry, Durant would be enough). Four players from one team is also not fair IMO.
Drummond over Horford.
Dragic/Whiteside over Lowry.
Paul over Thompson.
Williams/Griffin/George over Green.
Also this:
https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status...om%2Fdevinbook
Lonzo Ball's numbers are nearly identical to Draymonds. Funny how one is considered a bust while the other is considered an all-star. I think Draymond unfortunately will continue to get the nod for the all-star game until the Warriors are no longer contenders. He's going to get a bunch of selections that he doesn't deserve much like how Kobe got a bunch of All-NBA defensive team selections that weren't deserved. Ultimately this shows how dumb the coaches are since they are the ones who keep selecting him.
I have said it for a while the refs allow him to play 90's style defense of handchecking which is now illegal. Put him on any other team and he's fouling out of every game and is eventually a bench player or is sent to the G-League. He also has the worst jumpshot out of any starting PF in the league.
one of the best defensive players in the league who is also a versatile/net positive on offense. yeah he's an allstar. ST just hates him because he draws "best defensive player in the league" attention instead of our treasured kawhi. same with why lakerfans hated bron
Coaches like defense and guys who hustle, so it makes sense how an 11/7 guy who can defend all 5 positions on a winning team makes it over guys like Devin Booker who are pure offensive guys on losing teams. Doesn't make it right, or appealing to casuals, but I can see how coaches would pick this kind of player. But what I don't understand is with the same logic how Dray makes it over multi-dimensional guys on decent teams like Griffin, Paul, and Paul George.
The OG Big 3 of Duncan, Parker, and Bowen never made the all star game together, yet these system gots Klay and Raymond are perennial all stars?! outta here
Yeahhhhhhhh, no. He's posting his worst defensive numbers since his rookie season. I could understand last year when he was clearly the best in the league on that side but he's been far from it this year.
Fast paced offense and averages what again?
admittedly haven't looked at his metrics this year, just speaking on overall body of work.
On the Spurs he'd rank 4th in defensive win shares and 5th in defensive box plus/minus
So yea, his effort on that side hasn't been enough of a case to let him and Brandon Bass-esque regular stats in the all star game tbh
I don't think he deserves it this year, but superstars have been getting in by reputation for as long as I've been watching the NBA, tbh..
this is true. last year people here wanted LMA to make it
I can understand the criticism towards the selection of Draymond for his individual play, but also the argument that the Warriors don't deserve 4 guys in the game..they aren't destroying the league enough to warrant 4..this is true. last year people here wanted LMA to make it
Still, the fans are getting what they want..they're the most popular team since Jordan's Bulls..
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