Pop: Kyle started to blossom in the playoffs last season and it carried over

[dabom]

You already wanted to bet on that with me and suddenly disappeared... Stop embarrassing yourself.

I raised the stakes you dumb . Keep lying.

[Rocalcio]

I raised the stakes you dumb . Keep lying.

You raised it to 100k just to make the bet impossible, you escaped.

And can you please stop insulting everybody ? How old are you to act like that ?

[tbdog]

At this point, I think PATFO would do give him Patty money and feel pretty good about it. I think it will take something akin to the full MLE (which is like $38M/4) to keep him. As far as what he's worth, it will really depend on how effective he can be when Kawhi gets back. He'll go from starting and playing a ton of minutes to fighting Gay and Manu for the sixth-man role. He essentially has to push Gay down to irrelevance to keep up his current load. If he can take a step back to 21-24 MPG while still staying aggressive and helpful, then they'll likely make keeping him their top priority. If not, they'll be a clear price tag, though they'll also have fewer teams fighting for his services.

Warren just got over 40mil and Covington got over 60mil. Powell 40mil. Snell 40mil. I dare say that's the market for Anderson.

[Chinook]

Warren just got over 40mil and Covington got over 60mil. Powell 40mil. Snell 40mil. I dare say that's the market for Anderson.

Yeah, as we all agree on, he's better than Warren. And he compares favorably to Powell and Snell and is actually ahead of Covington in terms of advanced and impact stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...inro01&y5=2018

He's also the youngest player in that group (though he only has Powell by like three weeks). Still, I and not sure other folks will see it that way. My guess is he's thought of the least in that cohort by GMs of teams with the money to spend. Likely, most bad teams don't see him as having the star upside to spend on. Brooklyn would be an exception, but they already have DAR, Crabbe and LeVert. Atlanta would likely throw money at him, but I doubt they have interest in fighting the Spurs for him. I expect to see him locked up pretty early while the other teams are fighting over the star FAs. Unless his relationship with PATFO is more broken than we know, I don't think he'll linger.

[AaronY]

[lil'mo]

lol blossom

[r0drig0lac]

I'm a fan. Always have been I've been critical of him at times but mostly positive with him.

He's a good kid, he's smart as a whip, a great teammate, has a positive at ude and is humble. How could you not be a fan of that.

And he's a Swiss army knife and a john stockton/paul pierce type player. Not an athlete in comparison to thers. It's the Peyton manning factor. Kids iq and instincts are through the roof.

Look at his defensive metrics and number this year. He is a top defender this year and he's accomplished that with his iq, anticipation and length.

He is a sponge and has soaked up every bit of defensive pointers, advice, techniques, etc. Thrown his way. Clearly a fast learner on defense.

His growth on the defensive end is arguably in close proximity to the growth of kawhis offense. The trajectory is not as steep but in within spitting range.

I said over two seasons ago to be patient because he has shown flashes of brilliance in my eyes. There were games where he really guarded durant and other tough covers very well and extremely smart. But the talking heads and trolls just talk and troll.

I said before the season was started. I said our b8ggest key for a true chance of winning it was kyle stepping up and being the small ball four who gets the most minutes. The team has 3 bigs. Small ball is a given this year. It had to be kyle to do it because of his versatility.

He should average the most minutes off the bench when kawhi comes back, assuming pop doesn't slide him to the four and lma to five

Just because he wasn't give much of a conisistent role for the prior seasons doesnt mean he sucks. He slowl ly been groomedi into s versatile small ball four. Hes gained weoght and gotten stronger every year.

It's clear pop sees the writing on the wall and knows he's that old school ubersmart player like a mark jackson, Larry bird, jamal Tinsley who gets it done with smarts and skills other than athletic abilities.

Spurstalk is brutal. Take the constant criticizing of his appearance and game. Treat kyle like a dog but yet treated scola like a Greek god for over a decade on this site like he was the savior. Dude looked like a slightly better looking version of the fateli brother in goonies who stayed chained in the basement and fed ice cream. And he was absolute traffic cone on defense for his entire career.

Fathead this year is a bigger net positive for a team than any year scola has played in the nba.

good post

[r0drig0lac]

Interesting you mentioned him having Larry Bird like smarts. I actually thought about it the other day the similarities Kyle has with Bird when it comes to BB IQ along with being effective despite not being athletic.

As much as I like Kyle, they are at very different levels in IQ and Athletics

[rastaspur]

As much as I like Kyle, they are at very different levels in IQ and Athletics

Definitely. Still a decent comparison point in that Kyle is a decent player because of all the intangibles and not his athletic ability.

The mark jackson comparison is the most applicable and fitting one.

[r0drig0lac]

Definitely. Still a decent comparison point in that Kyle is a decent player because of all the intangibles and not his athletic ability.

The mark jackson comparison is the most applicable and fitting one.

I can agree that they did very well, even with their athletic limitations, only at different levels (Bird is the player with more "wtf" moments in history), although I hope that Kyle can still add some muscle and his game grows even more

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Kyle has been solid this year, a real trooper.
He should do a funny haircut with his fro but other than that no complaints. I like his huthle, even if it's a slow huthle.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I was on the phone last night with my mom, who went on and on about how cute she thought Anderson was.

Fairly certain now that SAGirl is an alt for my mom. Who knew?

[SAGirl]

There's not enough money for everybody, tbh.

Sorry, but as much as I'm liking what Anderson is doing, no way I would be willing to pay him more than 10 millions per year, no way. 7 or 8 millions is the absolute max I would be willing to go.

And I love Danny too, but I wouldn't give him 15 mil per year either. Offer him 12 per just as a proof of appreciation of all the things he has done for this franchise over the years, but if he is offered more anywhere else he can go get it. It's not so difficult to find cheap 3 and D guys, tbh.

At this point, I think PATFO would do give him Patty money and feel pretty good about it. I think it will take something akin to the full MLE (which is like $38M/4) to keep him. As far as what he's worth, it will really depend on how effective he can be when Kawhi gets back. He'll go from starting and playing a ton of minutes to fighting Gay and Manu for the sixth-man role. He essentially has to push Gay down to irrelevance to keep up his current load. If he can take a step back to 21-24 MPG while still staying aggressive and helpful, then they'll likely make keeping him their top priority. If not, they'll be a clear price tag, though they'll also have fewer teams fighting for his services.

The league has already seen what he can do without Kawhi, if Pop reduces role and minutes for him, it still doesn't take away what he can do. It's on Pop to maximize what his current roster can do. I don't expect Kyle to revert to timidness or to not show up bc he's past that stage, but it's on Pop to figure out how his guys will play together and to get the most out of them.

Another point is how they project this team to look moving on forward. So far this season: Kyle picked up where he left off in the playoffs and so did Patty (in Patty's case with bad shooting percentages when he has to be the primary ballhandler, struggling to get the team in sets effectively, failure to set up LMA effectively).

Patty has scored in double figures 9 times but is an offensive player getting starters' minutes whose role is to score the basketball. He has no value on defense. Offensively most nights, he's not doing enough. HIs shooting percentages have improved but are still too low: 36% FG, 33% from 3. If he was having this season last year, he isn't worth 50 mills.

Danny has scored in double figures 10 times, but has value defensively every night. He's at 41% and 38% from 3 and has been creating his own shot more than he does when the team is whole.

Kyle has scored in double figures 11 times but has done so for the last 5 games in a row (Mills streakiness hasn't allowed him to string together a 5 game run of good scoring games). Kyle is starting to find a rhythm to his game. He is also a playmaker and defensive minded player, who had never started this many games or gotten this many minutes with this much regularity before and is still improving. At 24 years old, still has many years ahead in his prime, and probably will have better seasons as he has never gotten this much run before.

Rudy Gay has scored in double figures 12 times and scored more than 20 points on 3 occasions, while playing less minutes than Patty. He has been streaky too, but is new to the system and coming back from an injury.

All 3 of Danny, Kyle and Rudy are in smaller deals, but are playing better than Mr 50 Mills. Kyle is playing more minutes than Rudy Gay and producing more. He's closing games and getting the ball in the 4th Q, he's developing confidence and the coach in him. Pop has praised him and they are really happy with how he's playing. I think Kyle is worth 10 mill a season. He may be gone if the Spurs penny pinch him. Buford is aware of it, that is why he said he has put himself in a position where they have to respect him. We have to see what happens next. I do think the Spurs want him. I don't expect Kyle to back down this season from any game. He's going to come out hungry and compete. I even expect him to have a good showing in the playoffs.

I definitely think he's at least worth MLE money. I placed his value at $10 mill per season, comparing it with Boris who got $7 mill under a lower cap and Cory Joseph who I think got $7 mill as well under the lower cap from the Raptors. Kyle's production compares very favorably to roleplayers in that range.

[rastaspur]

The league has already seen what he can do without Kawhi, if Pop reduces role and minutes for him, it still doesn't take away what he can do. It's on Pop to maximize what his current roster can do. I don't expect Kyle to revert to timidness or to not show up bc he's past that stage, but it's on Pop to figure out how his guys will play together and to get the most out of them.

Another point is how they project this team to look moving on forward. So far this season: Kyle picked up where he left off in the playoffs and so did Patty (in Patty's case with bad shooting percentages when he has to be the primary ballhandler, struggling to get the team in sets effectively, failure to set up LMA effectively).

Patty has scored in double figures 9 times but is an offensive player getting starters' minutes whose role is to score the basketball. He has no value on defense. Offensively most nights, he's not doing enough. HIs shooting percentages have improved but are still too low: 36% FG, 33% from 3. If he was having this season last year, he isn't worth 50 mills.

Danny has scored in double figures 10 times, but has value defensively every night. He's at 41% and 38% from 3 and has been creating his own shot more than he does when the team is whole.

Kyle has scored in double figures 11 times but has done so for the last 5 games in a row (Mills streakiness hasn't allowed him to string together a 5 game run of good scoring games). Kyle is starting to find a rhythm to his game. He is also a playmaker and defensive minded player, who had never started this many games or gotten this many minutes with this much regularity before and is still improving. At 24 years old, still has many years ahead in his prime, and probably will have better seasons as he has never gotten this much run before.

Rudy Gay has scored in double figures 12 times and scored more than 20 points on 3 occasions, while playing less minutes than Patty. He has been streaky too, but is new to the system and coming back from an injury.

All 3 of Danny, Kyle and Rudy are in smaller deals, but are playing better than Mr 50 Mills. Kyle is playing more minutes than Rudy Gay and producing more. He's closing games and getting the ball in the 4th Q, he's developing confidence and the coach in him. Pop has praised him and they are really happy with how he's playing. I think Kyle is worth 10 mill a season. He may be gone if the Spurs penny pinch him. Buford is aware of it, that is why he said he has put himself in a position where they have to respect him. We have to see what happens next. I do think the Spurs want him. I don't expect Kyle to back down this season from any game. He's going to come out hungry and compete. I even expect him to have a good showing in the playoffs.

I definitely think he's at least worth MLE money. I placed his value at $10 mill per season, comparing it with Boris who got $7 mill under a lower cap and Cory Joseph who I think got $7 mill as well under the lower cap from the Raptors. Kyle's production compares very favorably to roleplayers in that range.

He shouldn't get covington money. 10 to 12 mil a year is what I'm guessing is what his contract ceiling would be.

[SAGirl]

He shouldn't get covington money. 10 to 12 mil a year is what I'm guessing is what his contract ceiling would be.

that's basically what I said.
Danny is probably not worth covington money either. But it's all relative. Covington is part of some big 3, neither Danny nor Kyle are.

[venitian navigator]

The league has already seen what he can do without Kawhi, if Pop reduces role and minutes for him, it still doesn't take away what he can do. It's on Pop to maximize what his current roster can do. I don't expect Kyle to revert to timidness or to not show up bc he's past that stage, but it's on Pop to figure out how his guys will play together and to get the most out of them.

Another point is how they project this team to look moving on forward. So far this season: Kyle picked up where he left off in the playoffs and so did Patty (in Patty's case with bad shooting percentages when he has to be the primary ballhandler, struggling to get the team in sets effectively, failure to set up LMA effectively).

Patty has scored in double figures 9 times but is an offensive player getting starters' minutes whose role is to score the basketball. He has no value on defense. Offensively most nights, he's not doing enough. HIs shooting percentages have improved but are still too low: 36% FG, 33% from 3. If he was having this season last year, he isn't worth 50 mills.

Danny has scored in double figures 10 times, but has value defensively every night. He's at 41% and 38% from 3 and has been creating his own shot more than he does when the team is whole.

Kyle has scored in double figures 11 times but has done so for the last 5 games in a row (Mills streakiness hasn't allowed him to string together a 5 game run of good scoring games). Kyle is starting to find a rhythm to his game. He is also a playmaker and defensive minded player, who had never started this many games or gotten this many minutes with this much regularity before and is still improving. At 24 years old, still has many years ahead in his prime, and probably will have better seasons as he has never gotten this much run before.

Rudy Gay has scored in double figures 12 times and scored more than 20 points on 3 occasions, while playing less minutes than Patty. He has been streaky too, but is new to the system and coming back from an injury.

All 3 of Danny, Kyle and Rudy are in smaller deals, but are playing better than Mr 50 Mills. Kyle is playing more minutes than Rudy Gay and producing more. He's closing games and getting the ball in the 4th Q, he's developing confidence and the coach in him. Pop has praised him and they are really happy with how he's playing. I think Kyle is worth 10 mill a season. He may be gone if the Spurs penny pinch him. Buford is aware of it, that is why he said he has put himself in a position where they have to respect him. We have to see what happens next. I do think the Spurs want him. I don't expect Kyle to back down this season from any game. He's going to come out hungry and compete. I even expect him to have a good showing in the playoffs.

I definitely think he's at least worth MLE money. I placed his value at $10 mill per season, comparing it with Boris who got $7 mill under a lower cap and Cory Joseph who I think got $7 mill as well under the lower cap from the Raptors. Kyle's production compares very favorably to roleplayers in that range.

I agree.
The point is if next season Parker will take the minimum a la Manu...otherwise there will be no space to pay all our worth free agents.
Best case:
Kyle 8 to ten
TP veteran's minimum (that should be around Manu's money)
Gay opt in
Green 11 to 13
Forbes, Bertans and jo.lo. ...depend on the season they will make...but we have to consider that we have at least three guys (White, Milutinov and our next first round draft choice) that can take a roster spot and still be in rookie money deals...

[dabom]

Anyone thinking Tony is gonna get Vet min.

[SpursforSix]

Anyone thinking Tony is gonna get Vet min.

I lol'd myself.

[SAGirl]

There's no way TP gets the veteran minimum.
There is a chance some guys just don't come back. It's happened the last few seasons, and it wouldn't surprise if it happened again. Spurs can't afford to pay everyone what they are worth and some guys do outgrow their role in the Spurs. Kyle is definitely at risk to elope but I will say... he isn't the only one.

[John B]

It’s his contract year and Kawhi being out, plus Simmons not signing, needed a point forward because DJ not ready, his stars just lined up and he took advantage of it. I’m happy for him. It’s luxury to have a point forward his size especially with the small ball game changing. If he could consistently knock those 3’s he’s in for a big payoff.

[TheDoctor]

You raised it to 100k just to make the bet impossible, you escaped.

And can you please stop insulting everybody ? How old are you to act like that ?

You have proof of that?

[tonight...you]

You have proof of that?

I read it in some thread myself a few days ago. Stupid post a child would make, but whatevs. Not my fight.

[dabom]

You raised it to 100k just to make the bet impossible, you escaped.

And can you please stop insulting everybody ? How old are you to act like that ?

So I didn't run. That's makes you a ing liar. ing s bag.

[benefactor]

[Chinook]

The league has already seen what he can do without Kawhi, if Pop reduces role and minutes for him, it still doesn't take away what he can do. It's on Pop to maximize what his current roster can do. I don't expect Kyle to revert to timidness or to not show up bc he's past that stage, but it's on Pop to figure out how his guys will play together and to get the most out of them.

Another point is how they project this team to look moving on forward. So far this season: Kyle picked up where he left off in the playoffs and so did Patty (in Patty's case with bad shooting percentages when he has to be the primary ballhandler, struggling to get the team in sets effectively, failure to set up LMA effectively).

Patty has scored in double figures 9 times but is an offensive player getting starters' minutes whose role is to score the basketball. He has no value on defense. Offensively most nights, he's not doing enough. HIs shooting percentages have improved but are still too low: 36% FG, 33% from 3. If he was having this season last year, he isn't worth 50 mills.

Danny has scored in double figures 10 times, but has value defensively every night. He's at 41% and 38% from 3 and has been creating his own shot more than he does when the team is whole.

Kyle has scored in double figures 11 times but has done so for the last 5 games in a row (Mills streakiness hasn't allowed him to string together a 5 game run of good scoring games). Kyle is starting to find a rhythm to his game. He is also a playmaker and defensive minded player, who had never started this many games or gotten this many minutes with this much regularity before and is still improving. At 24 years old, still has many years ahead in his prime, and probably will have better seasons as he has never gotten this much run before.

Rudy Gay has scored in double figures 12 times and scored more than 20 points on 3 occasions, while playing less minutes than Patty. He has been streaky too, but is new to the system and coming back from an injury.

All 3 of Danny, Kyle and Rudy are in smaller deals, but are playing better than Mr 50 Mills. Kyle is playing more minutes than Rudy Gay and producing more. He's closing games and getting the ball in the 4th Q, he's developing confidence and the coach in him. Pop has praised him and they are really happy with how he's playing. I think Kyle is worth 10 mill a season. He may be gone if the Spurs penny pinch him. Buford is aware of it, that is why he said he has put himself in a position where they have to respect him. We have to see what happens next. I do think the Spurs want him. I don't expect Kyle to back down this season from any game. He's going to come out hungry and compete. I even expect him to have a good showing in the playoffs.

I definitely think he's at least worth MLE money. I placed his value at $10 mill per season, comparing it with Boris who got $7 mill under a lower cap and Cory Joseph who I think got $7 mill as well under the lower cap from the Raptors. Kyle's production compares very favorably to roleplayers in that range.

That's all well and good, but Pop isn't likely going to care about this stretch by Anderson if he goes back into a s once Kawhi comes back. He's likely secured himself an all right deal from somewhere by his play, but I doubt anyone is going to sign him to be more than a role-player, so the more he shows playing with two stars, the better. And you know I'm a card-carrying member of CoA, so you don't have to tell me about how good he can be. But Kyle will simply have fewer touches when Tony is up to speed and when Kawhi gets back. So it will be on him to stay aggressive while also being smart to take advantage of his minutes as much if not more than it is on Pop to give him the minutes. Not only will Kyle have to keep up the assertiveness, but he also has to do so in a way that helps the team.

The MLE isn't so much about money as it is about a salary slot. Most teams can offer the MLE or an equivalent cap-space deal. That's why I think it's what the Spurs may have to beat. You're right that he can get $10 Million APY without it being a huge overpay. I just think most teams willing to fight SA for him won't have much more than that to offer.