Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[TSA]

Read the part where I talked about exhaustive and try again. If I don't respond its not because I am surrendering the point but rather that you are too stupid to grasp the rebuttal I made.

No, you are just surrendering the point.

Flynn's discussions with Kislyak were not illegal. Flynn lying to the FBI about his discussions was illegal. Nothing more, nothing less.

[monosylab1k]

[Pavlov]

No, you are just surrendering the point.

Flynn's discussions with Kislyak were not illegal. Flynn lying to the FBI about his discussions was illegal. Nothing more, nothing less.

So why lie about it?

[TSA]

A transition team member doing transition team member things

[RandomGuy]

Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.

That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.

To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-investigation

buzzkill

Or as it should really be called "Stupid Watergate"

[TSA]

So why lie about it?

Don't know and I'm curious myself.

[monosylab1k]

Flynn was just doing his job everybody gets federally indicted and pleads guilty at some point in the line of doing their job

[Pavlov]

Don't know and I'm curious myself.

It's not like he's the only one who lied.

[RandomGuy]

A transition team member doing transition team member things

Nothing to see here, no reason to lie about anything.

oh wait, he pled guilty to... lying.

What did he plead guilty to lying about again? refresh my memory

[RandomGuy]

A transition team member doing transition team member things

You didn't read the whole thing did you. The sanctions on Russia were also discussed, and lied about, just like the OP said, in an attempt to create a quid-pro-quo.

[Reck]

A transition team member doing transition team member things

Why do you keep reposting this?

Guy just pleaded guilty and fessed up about inquiring about foreign help because he was instructed to do so. By what one can assume was Trump or someone who can be call a "senior" member of the transition.

How many senior members can there be?

[monosylab1k]

Future conversation between Flynn and Kelly.

[TSA]

You didn't read the whole thing did you. The sanctions on Russia were also discussed, and lied about, just like the OP said, in an attempt to create a quid-pro-quo.

Attempt to create a quid pro quo concerning the election? Please show me where it said that.

[RandomGuy]

Do you think a $500 fine and no jail time is major trouble?

shall be fined under this le, imprisoned not more than 5 years

I would call the potential for 5 years in federal prison major, yes.

Instead, he got off pretty lightly. Wonder why.

[TSA]

Why do you keep reposting this?

Guy just pleaded guilty and fessed up about inquiring about foreign help because he was instructed to do so. By what one can assume was Trump or someone who can be call a "senior" member of the transition.

How many senior members can there be?

He plead guilty to lying to the FBI not for talking to Kislyak. What crime do you think was committed in his discussions with Kislyak?

[djohn2oo8]

[RandomGuy]

Attempt to create a quid pro quo concerning the election? Please show me where it said that.

Concerning the election?

Why would I attempt to prove something that I don't assert? This charge doesn't concern the election. Hope that clears it up for you.

[djohn2oo8]

[djohn2oo8]

[djohn2oo8]

[boutons_deux]

I would call the potential for 5 years in federal prison major, yes.

Sessions has told US Attys, etc to always file maximum charges and prosecute for maximum penalties.

but since it's Sessions, maybe he intends that guidance only knitters and Mexicans.

[monosylab1k]

This is one delicious ing nothingburger.

[TSA]

Concerning the election?

Why would I attempt to prove something that I don't assert? This charge doesn't concern the election. Hope that clears it up for you.

Not sure I'm following you.

The sanctions on Russia were also discussed, and lied about, just like the OP said, in an attempt to create a quid-pro-quo.

What quid pro quo?

[boutons_deux]

Not sure I'm following you.



What quid pro quo?

Lift sanctions, annul the Magnitsky Act ( adoptions! ), and enable Rexxon's $500B oil/gas deal with Pootin. Both financially hurt Pootin and his oligarchy very painfully.

I think the main reason inexperienced, unqualified Rexxon is at State is that he BFFed Vlad

[dabom]

This is one delicious ing nothingburger.