Colin Cowherd says Spurs are not le contenders

[Raven]

we're perennial contenders, anyone thinking otherwise, is just laughable.

[Raven]

"Presti hitting home runs adding George and Melo to the roster while Drunkford signs Rudy . Spurs are a thing of the past." 75% of this board in the off-season.

meh i think the two statements combined were quite unpopular, usually it's one of the two.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

No Duncan, no chance

[Capt Bringdown]

Nobody is beating GS for years to come, barring injuries and/or some league rule changes. They will beat Jordan's Bull's 6-championship run.

They have luckily and shrewdly built a team that can run the tables, championship wise, as did the Bill Russell era Celtics. I say shrewdly, but not so much, as it is not rocket science when you have an all-star team as your core.

I think the Spurs were in a similar situation during the Duncan era, if not for some bad luck and some astonishingly bad team craftsmanship. One might say that the Spurs accomplished greatness with what they had, but then there are all those years of Richard Jefferson, the Turd towers, broken-down Dice, Finley, etc. Those were some terrible decisions that I just don't see other elite Championship teams making. I mean, do you see Phil Jackson (granted, he sucks now) depending so heavily on over-the-hill bums such as Dice and Finley? Not gonna happen.

5 is nice, but we shoulda had more. GS ain't gonna make those mistakes.

[phxspurfan]

03 Lakers lost to us in the playoffs.

'02, whatever


please dont tell me you're the kid who corrects others grammar too

Hopefully it's a good omen / Freudian slip

nope, just a long ass time ago and who really cares about recounting Lakers championships

[skulls138]

Uh, no. Spurs would have won more if one team didn't have Kobi, Shaq and Phil Jackson. That we won 5 rings in that era is frickin amazing. We also beat the Detroit Pistons, a team of destiny.

As for GSW? Maybe. You never can tell the future. What GSW can count on to help them is the lack of talent and fundamentals in today's game. Spurs probably need one more player to truly compete with them but as I said last year, size matters in the playoffs and we have size. If you dont believe that size matters and that small ball rules consider why GSW won last year, because of KDs size. Talent wise I like Curry better but hes small and it shows in the playoffs.

[exstatic]

Nobody is beating GS for years to come, barring injuries and/or some league rule changes. They will beat Jordan's Bull's 6-championship run.

They have luckily and shrewdly built a team that can run the tables, championship wise, as did the Bill Russell era Celtics. I say shrewdly, but not so much, as it is not rocket science when you have an all-star team as your core.

I think the Spurs were in a similar situation during the Duncan era, if not for some bad luck and some astonishingly bad team craftsmanship. One might say that the Spurs accomplished greatness with what they had, but then there are all those years of Richard Jefferson, the Turd towers, broken-down Dice, Finley, etc. Those were some terrible decisions that I just don't see other elite Championship teams making. I mean, do you see Phil Jackson (granted, he sucks now) depending so heavily on over-the-hill bums such as Dice and Finley? Not gonna happen.

5 is nice, but we shoulda had more. GS ain't gonna make those mistakes.

The luxury tax will beat them. Their projected payroll + tax for the season after this is $400M. To put that into perspective, their entire income stream from everything last season was $300M. No ownership group, no matter how much they want to win, is going to drag their team into red ink totaling $100M, and increasing every year after.

[tonight...you]

The luxury tax will beat them. Their projected payroll + tax for the season after this is $400M. To put that into perspective, their entire income stream from everything last season was $300M. No ownership group, no matter how much they want to win, is going to drag their team into red ink totaling $100M, and increasing every year after.

We personally witnessed our own team's stars take pay cuts to keep the team together. Durant just followed suit.
What makes you think the other players coming up will do different?


Edit: and the ownership group is super-rich.
Not like our beloved Spurs owners, now with wifey in the running of operations management at this point.

They ain't Silicon rich, but Sanny Franny is. Don't pin your hopes on this fallacy.

[Spurtacular]

I consider the Spurs a dark horse more than a contender. If dark horse status teams are contenders, then Colin is plain wrong.

[exstatic]

We personally witnessed our own team's stars take pay cuts to keep the team together. Durant just followed suit.
What makes you think the other players coming up will do different?


Edit: and the ownership group is super-rich.
Not like our beloved Spurs owners, now with wifey in the running of operations management at this point.

They ain't Silicon rich, but Sanny Franny is. Don't pin your hopes on this fallacy.

There’s a difference between going into the tax, and running a business at a loss. No owner will do that. To avoid that payroll, they would have to completely dump two of the four, most likely Klay and Raymond. This is what the tax was designed for. The players would all have to work for half MAX for this to continue. This isn’t Miami’s big three each giving up a mil per year. Try fifteen times that.

[Spurtacular]

There’s a difference between going into the tax, and running a business at a loss. No owner will do that. To avoid that payroll, they would have to completely dump two of the four, most likely Klay and Raymond. This is what the tax was designed for. The players would all have to work for half MAX for this to continue. This isn’t Miami’s big three each giving up a mil per year. Try fifteen times that.

Thus far, nobody is giving up . Curry and Durant getting theirs.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What defines a le contender? How many are there? And who is contending for a le?

Someone who has a great chance of winning the le.

That’s only the warriors.

[cd98]

Cowherd is a troll that Spurstalk feeds.

[coachmac87]

Someone who has a great chance of winning the le.

That’s only the warriors.

Hmmm that sounds like a "championship favorite"

Is there not a difference between the two?

[daslicer]

Nobody is beating GS for years to come, barring injuries and/or some league rule changes. They will beat Jordan's Bull's 6-championship run.

They have luckily and shrewdly built a team that can run the tables, championship wise, as did the Bill Russell era Celtics. I say shrewdly, but not so much, as it is not rocket science when you have an all-star team as your core.

I think the Spurs were in a similar situation during the Duncan era, if not for some bad luck and some astonishingly bad team craftsmanship. One might say that the Spurs accomplished greatness with what they had, but then there are all those years of Richard Jefferson, the Turd towers, broken-down Dice, Finley, etc. Those were some terrible decisions that I just don't see other elite Championship teams making. I mean, do you see Phil Jackson (granted, he sucks now) depending so heavily on over-the-hill bums such as Dice and Finley? Not gonna happen.

5 is nice, but we shoulda had more. GS ain't gonna make those mistakes.

I don't buy into that bs. People said the same thing about the Lakers back in '01. I remember at the time everybody was saying the Lakers were going to win out for the whole entire decade and we saw how that ended up. The Warriors have a high chance of 3 peating with their current team but I see nothing beyond that.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Hmmm that sounds like a "championship favorite"

Is there not a difference between the two?

The Warriors are just so far ahead of the pack, and this is one of the weaker Spurs team of the decade. It's honestly good to see LMA bounce back but even the 2014 Spurs would be pushed hard with these Warriors.

It sucks because while I think this current era of the NBA is very overrated, if you removed the Warriors from the league the NBA playoffs would be wide open and so much more fun.

[Spurtacular]

I think it's laughable that CC was putting the Rockets so high. They are a relatively easy team to contain in a series. They lack for ude and are not that hard to crack.

[UZER]

I think it's laughable that CC was putting the Rockets so high. They are a relatively easy team to contain in a series. They lack for ude and are not that hard to crack.

He likes sex appeal so he ignores good teams that are boring and will promote crappy teams that have 'fun' star power. It's all about ratings for him. That's it.

[coachmac87]

The Warriors are just so far ahead of the pack, and this is one of the weaker Spurs team of the decade. It's honestly good to see LMA bounce back but even the 2014 Spurs would be pushed hard with these Warriors.

It sucks because while I think this current era of the NBA is very overrated, if you removed the Warriors from the league the NBA playoffs would be wide open and so much more fun.

I kinda feel like the Warriors are very similar to the Shaq-Kobe Lakers. They were extremely loved by the media and the league..and on top of that had dominant talent on the court..arguably the most dominant force in Shaq. I dunno about you but when we battled in the playoffs even though we got swept I felt like we were close or didn't get a fair shot...

Do I think we can beat the Warriors? Probably not but I do feel we can "contend" with them and if I had to put money on anyone beating them in a series it's the Spurs..

And tbh when have thr Spurs ever been the favorite?? Even in le years I don't think they were overwhelmingly favored.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think it's laughable that CC was putting the Rockets so high. They are a relatively easy team to contain in a series. They lack for ude and are not that hard to crack.

Rockets look damn good is Chris Paul is going to cause all kinds of problems for us in the playoffs. We match up poorly with him.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

We personally witnessed our own team's stars take pay cuts to keep the team together. Durant just followed suit.
What makes you think the other players coming up will do different?

Because the Spurs taking paycuts lead to the team not going over the tax, or being just barely over it - they couldn't afford to pay more even for a championship team, whereas these Warriors are always way above the tax - by more than $15 mil this season, and also the penalties for this are way higher than they were in the mid 2000s, especially for repeat tax offenders. Of course it's possible they're so rich they won't mind being in the red, but this is doubtful.

[r0drig0lac]

Nobody is beating GS for years to come, barring injuries and/or some league rule changes. They will beat Jordan's Bull's 6-championship run.

They have luckily and shrewdly built a team that can run the tables, championship wise, as did the Bill Russell era Celtics. I say shrewdly, but not so much, as it is not rocket science when you have an all-star team as your core.

I think the Spurs were in a similar situation during the Duncan era, if not for some bad luck and some astonishingly bad team craftsmanship. One might say that the Spurs accomplished greatness with what they had, but then there are all those years of Richard Jefferson, the Turd towers, broken-down Dice, Finley, etc. Those were some terrible decisions that I just don't see other elite Championship teams making. I mean, do you see Phil Jackson (granted, he sucks now) depending so heavily on over-the-hill bums such as Dice and Finley? Not gonna happen.

5 is nice, but we shoulda had more. GS ain't gonna make those mistakes.

Iguodala (ultra beta) being a mole in the series nuggets x gsw? Durbeta being the most cowardly person in human history? or Jerry West denying to include Klay in a trade for Kevin Love?

The fun part is that the first was one of the dirtiest situations in history and no one talks about it, Durant has a record of 0-1 in playoff series without another superstar in his team, the only real "luck" was to have Jerry West for so long on your FO

[TD 21]

I kinda feel like the Warriors are very similar to the Shaq-Kobe Lakers. They were extremely loved by the media and the league..and on top of that had dominant talent on the court..arguably the most dominant force in Shaq. I dunno about you but when we battled in the playoffs even though we got swept I felt like we were close or didn't get a fair shot...

Do I think we can beat the Warriors? Probably not but I do feel we can "contend" with them and if I had to put money on anyone beating them in a series it's the Spurs..

And tbh when have thr Spurs ever been the favorite?? Even in le years I don't think they were overwhelmingly favored.

Not even close. That was a dynamic duo, that lacked chemistry and depth. These arrogant pricks have all of those things, but they also have what Spurs did in Duncan era: A collective IQ that makes them even greater than the sum of their parts. Other than '01, those Lakers teams were always vulnerable.

'04-'05, but favorite is different than having a chance. Saying Spurs don't have one is not a knock either, because it's more than likely going to require an all-time team to beat them at full strength and there hasn't been another one of those since '14 Spurs.

[coachmac87]

Not even close. That was a dynamic duo, that lacked chemistry and depth. These arrogant pricks have all of those things, but they also have what Spurs did in Duncan era: A collective IQ that makes them even greater than the sum of their parts. Other than '01, those Lakers teams were always vulnerable.

'04-'05, but favorite is different than having a chance. Saying Spurs don't have one is not a knock either, because it's more than likely going to require an all-time team to beat them at full strength and there hasn't been another one of those since '14 Spurs.

Did you not agree with my reasoning? They're not identical I said they're similar and listed my reasons why.


And did you think the 14' Spurs could be an "all time" team going into the season? Especially after Game 6. Hind sight is always 20/20..

[TD 21]

Did you not agree with my reasoning? They're not identical I said they're similar and listed my reasons why.


And did you think the 14' Spurs could be an "all time" team going into the season? Especially after Game 6. Hind sight is always 20/20..

Obviously not. They have one thing in common: An all-time duo.

They didn't become that until the playoffs and there was no way to predict them hitting the level they did. Of course, it was aided by the Ibaka injury, but they were a of a closer than this team . . . keep comparing everything to the past though and pretending nothing's changed.