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Are they losing cause of him, or competing cause of him. There's a difference.
As I said in the game thread, I'm loving it from a fantasy perspective. However, dude keeps putting up negative impact stats. Not a good look.
Are they losing cause of him, or competing cause of him. There's a difference.
Exactly! They expect that trash team to win because of just Simmons... And these are the same idiots that say Brandon Paul is better... Lmfao!
You don't have negative impact stats if you are a good player on a bad team. It's just not the way the stats work
They don't get it... Lol
I assume the Magic lose because they don't play guys one on one like the Spurs do.
I wished they had kept him, however I get the impression he didn’t want to stay and the Spurs did him a solid. With Danny, kawhi and Rudyard he wasn't going to get the minutes he's getting.
That said, he does seem to put up nice stats with low impact.
-13 on a game his team lost by 7. Once again the worst +/- of the Magic.
Too bad Magic games don't get broadcasted much. It's really intriguing how Simmons keeps putting solid individual numbers but he still leads the team in negative +/- virtually every game. I would like to see if watching some games would help make sense of this.
His production for this year is impressive and he is in MIP conversation so I'm happy for him but personally I'd rather have the versatility of Gay than Simmons. Big numbers on bad teams doesn't always translate. With that said I'm gonna watch some upcoming games.
Edit: Capt. Jack won games for his teams and even on bad teams cause he made winning plays. The "We Believe" Warriors and the unexpected run at the playoffs with the then Bobcats with BoBo. Maybe that's the next step in Jon's development. One step at a time I guess.
Last edited by raybies; 12-10-2017 at 09:27 PM.
I was always in Simmons' corner but I don't really see the point of crying about him leaving given Fathead's improvement and Rudy fitting in so well. I wouldn't give up either of those guys for him even if Simmons was the perfect Spur, which in hindsight he wasn't since he didn't seem to want to be here and wast fully down with the Spurs culture.
Agree. I don't see a place for him on this team. He's too erratic, to me. Anderson is becoming the perfect glue guy and Gay is potentially one of the best vet pick-ups this team has ever made.
It's not difficult... He plays on the Magic bench... As bad as the starters are, the bench will have an even worse plus minus
He's starting, tbh.
Simmons was ranked #56 last year in +/- per game... U know why? BECAUSE HE PLAYED ON A GOOD TEAM! lol... Zaza was ranked in the top 10 last year for plus minus... So I guess that means if u replace Simmons with Zaza they would be a winning team...
Blake griffin had a higher +/- than Kawhi last year... I guess that means we need to do this trade...
Why are people using +/- as proof of the quality of a player (logically biased, when this statistic is clearly collective, but I will fish anyway)? This is statistic that had Matt Bonner always as one of the best on the team, right?
Matt Bonner was a harbinger for the end of the PF position as we knew it. People are too quick to dismiss his statistical impact. This sin't a Boozer-DRtg thing. Anyways, plus-minus over a huge sample usually weeds out most of the objections. While Simmons having a bad result despite good raw numbers could just be a fluke, if it keeps happening, something is up.
It's not just this year. The only time in his NBA career (regular season and postseason, Spanning two teams) he had a positive +/- was last year's regular season (+2.7).
It's not only his +/- , his Off/Def Rtg are terrible too, and virtually any other impact metric, regardless whether he's starting or playing from the bench.
Still talking about this guy? Spurs have Rudy now upgrade.
Dude... He has been in the league for two years... Lmfao! Year before last he was a rookie
Of course those numbers will be bad if he in on a losing team! I don't think u understand statistics... Plus his Orb and Dr numbers aren't horrible, but they aren't gonna get much better with the team he is on
There are a lot of average wings with average/positive impact stats on losing teams.
This is rich coming from you of all people
They're pretty horrible actually. They were kind of bad last season too on a 61-21 team with a top 3 bench in the NBA.
If you believe Simmons is a bad defender, like the metrics made up by dweebs said he was last year, then I can tell you don't watch any games
He was our second best perimeter defender behind Kawhi, and it honestly wasn't even close.
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