It would be asinine and outright egregious to give Parker a veteran's minimum contract while giving Paddy an absurd 12.5M over the next 4 years. This can't be justified by human logic.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 12-09-2017 at 04:16 AM.
I think we can't overlook the impact of kawhi's return will have on this discussion. How well is rudy/kyle/davis going to work together with our franchise player in terms of chemistry?
What does pop do in terms of further limiting pau's minutes in playoffs, and who plays the 4 better between Rudy and Kyle when we need to roll out the best 5 possible?
Forbes and Bertans should be able to be retained cheaply as they are one dimensional players. Kyle Anderson will cost us about 10mil per year. Are we getting a meeting with Lebron?
Gay left SAC and $14M to play for a winning team at $17M/2yr. I don't see him leaving, seems like he really likes it here. I am also betting by the end of the playoffs we will all be begging him to stay.
Yes and he’s very right that’s Lamarcus this season. His comment about Patty was made in the summer . Its a good development that Lamarcus has taken that responsibility on this year. Not wanting to step on Kawhis toes and Kawhi being a recluse the leader last season was Patty. That’s what I take from it. The team will be much better off with Lamarcus taking ownership for the groups success. I don’t think Kawhi cares one bit since he’s really not a people person.
As Chinook schooled me on, the Spurs can offer him 120% of his current salary which would be $10.2 million. A two year deal at $21 million is a should a pretty compe ive offer, especially without any state taxes.
I am not counting on LeBron. I am not even counting on any big additions. Keeping Danny, Rudy and Tony is probably about as good as they can hope to do and one has to be in kind of wishful thinking mode hoping their RFA come back.
Last edited by SAGirl; 12-09-2017 at 06:43 PM.
Spurs need Manu back, IMO
Historically Pop wouldn't pay a guy like Kyle Anderson (average wing defender, below average shooter) but I really like him on this team.
Undefeated since Fathead was crying on the floor. Even in the OKC game, the team looked better after his injury. Not surprising tbh.... he should be at the bottom of our priorities
I’d like to find a way to keep each of Bryn, Bert, and Kyle, but I hope that if they realize they can’t, that they can cash in for future assets via a small trade. It’d be a shame to have them walk for nothing like some other guys that have come through in recent years (e.g., Boban).
I'd rather keep Bryn and his all around game on both ends than stick with Patty for another 3 years for 40 million. I'd rather give Bryn Mills' minutes in the playoffs as well.
Mills has shot well the past 2-3 weeks, but there's so much more to the game than shooting and Forbes has been providing that.
Pau/LA ( they stagger after first 5-6 minutes in 1st/3rd) - Bertans - Gay - Manu - Bryn bench come playoff time.
Patty's a much more complete player than Forbes or Murray right now. Bryn is not a dynamic shooter at this point, and he's not a play-maker. He competes on D, but he's not noticeably better than Mills on that end either. He wouldn't be the back-up PG, which is why Murray still factors into this. We already saw how exploitable Murray is right now. Until he fixes those issues, he's going to be a worse option than Mills, especially if Patty remains aggressive and effective in his shooting.
In a scenario where the Spurs were looking at cap space, money-balling Mills into Bryn might make sense. But it doesn't in most likely scenarios.
I couldn't disagree more with your assessment or your opinion.
Not the first time, and won't be the last.
Jesus Christ
Bottom line for me, all 3 of the RFA could easily not come back, provided Rudy and Manu come back making them dispensable.
So it depends on what else is going on with the rest of the roster, and also how well they play the rest of the regular season and the playoffs. It's ironic but the better they play, the likelier it is they will secure their futures elsewhere.
It kind of makes me depressed to think about it, but I can see CoJo, Baynes, JSimms, Marco, Dedmon, Boban type scenarios for all of them.
Quit trying to confuse us with a well constructed argument...
I think you will concede that Patty is AMONG the Spurs' leaders. But your point about Parker is very interesting. It remains to be seen at season's end whether Tony seems to have enough left in the tank to endure another 1-3 seasons. We just have to wait and see. Despite their record, watching the Spurs' offense with 50Mills and Dijon at the helm has increased my appreciation for Tony... If he CAN return for another couple of seasons, I tend to agree that makes Patty seem more expendable - as far as locker room chemistry is concerned. By season's end, if Bryn's play continues at its current trajectory, that would make Patty expendable on the court. Whether BOTH of those events would be conditions precedent to moving Patty is the big question. And in both instances, I don't think we fans or PATFO will be in a position to know until season's end. For that reason, I expect Patty to last this season, at least, giving him a chance to reclaim his niche on the floor.
Some times I think fans don't differentiate clearly between locker room harmony/cohesion/camaraderie and on-court chemistry. (I recognize there is often a correlation between the two.)
For grins I put together this list of the Spurs' older guys. You can kind of cross off any number of names to get an idea how you think their absence would affect the Spurs' locker room and/or their play.
Player Age NBA Experince Spurs' Tenure
Manu 40 16 16
Tony 35 17 17
Danny 30 9 8
Patty 29 9 7
Kawhi 25 6 6
Kyle 24 4 4
LMA 32 12 3
Pau 37 17 2
Rudy 31 12 1
Personally I think you can cross Manu and Patty off the list and the Spurs would be just fine both on-court and in the locker room - assuming Tony and Bryn still look good at season's end.
Uve been wrong a lot of times bud.
good post.
I don't expect any trades midseason for several reasons:
1. Spurs have overachieved considering their injury situation.
2. The RFA who have trade value are needed right now.
3. There is also a possibility that the team actually needs to re-sign them, provided they suffer personnel losses via retirement (Manu) or FA (Rudy).
4. It's unforeseen who can step up in the playoffs. These guys are young and have played very little in the postseason. A past sample of someone not shooting well (neither Bryn nor Davis did much last postseason), doesn't mean the same thing would happen this year. They have gained confidence and may step up in ways we can't predict right now.
I just don't expect 50 Mills to be traded though, unless they were to get a big time FA acquisition, like a star FA "name", which I don't expect anymore. But if they were to get some name, then they have to shed some contracts.
Spurs will basically retain everyone that they can retain and the RFA are at the mercy of what happens with the rest of the roster, and what interest they can raise from other teams. I could see all of them gone if they haven't secured a rotation spot by the end of the season and playoffs. I see a lot of CoJo and JSimms in some of them, maybe some Boban (someone who may not play regularly and still elicit a bigger offer from some other team than what they are worth to the Spurs)... etc. It's kind of sad bc I really like this group of RFA. I am really happy for them though that they will get paid by someone and secure their future.
Last edited by SAGirl; 12-10-2017 at 06:12 PM.
At this moment, Pop's comments clearly indicate the team will work hard to find a way to keep both Kyle and Bryn. Both Danny and Rudy - each in his own way - have exceeded expectations. So I cannot see the team parting with either of them in order to retain Kyle and Bryn. There is an odd man out somewhere. In my calculations it is a very expensive Patty Mills - if my assumptions about Tony and Bryn hold true at season's end.
I agree with you. We definitely agree.
When I plagiarize you in the future, it will be a play on words - as I thought yours was.It's called a typo. And, lol, the irony.
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