Rank the Spurs FA's Offseason Priorities...

**DAF86** · 12-10-2017

I'd rather keep Bryn and his all around game on both ends than stick with Patty for another 3 years for 40 million. I'd rather give Bryn Mills' minutes in the playoffs as well.

Mills has shot well the past 2-3 weeks, but there's so much more to the game than shooting and Forbes has been providing that.

Pau/LA ( they stagger after first 5-6 minutes in 1st/3rd) - Bertans - Gay - Manu - Bryn bench come playoff time.

No Kyle?

**sasaint** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by sasaint

A super-big play that kind of got lost in the wake of Manu's dagger trey.

Haha! Oops. But he also got a big put-back before Manu's dagger, too - didn't he?

**BatManu20** · 12-10-2017

1. Trade Patty
2. Re-sign Bryn
3. Convince Rudy to opt in
4. Re-sign Kyle
5. Trade Pau/Sign Lebron*

* = Highly doubtful but possible if he Lebron knows what's good for him.

**raybies** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by DAF86

No Kyle?

I've been starting to think, if Rudy is resigned it kinda makes Kyle redundant, cause they both kinda do the same thing. Kyle more of a playmaker though, and Rudy more of a scorer. I think if you keep Bertans and Forbes it better surrounds the bench with Rudy. Then I think about how RC or Pop was it that Kyle is putting himself in position to earn some money and in retrospect it didn't seem to commital like when Pop said they have to pay Patty a lot to keep him. I guess they put it out there they wanted Patty and I just didn't get that sense about Kyle. We'll see though.

I'm ready to make my first priority list.

Green/ Tony/ Rudy Top Priority

Forbes/ Bertans

Kyle if Bertans is lost

Joff

My inclination is that Kyle is being set up as a Simmons situation where he won't be able to stretch his wings here so to speak. We have a lot of usage players and that puts him pretty low on the totem pole. His at his best as point forward with Patty or small ball 4 and if Rudy is retained I don't see the fit. Forbes taking Manu's spot and Bertans playing the four would help the Spurs bench be pretty explosive offensively. While having Kyle would be more of a luxury.

Still tough to see, but want to see the full lineup and the bench battle between Anderson and Bertans.

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by DAF86

No Kyle?

Patty and Manu started the season relatively off shooting and Rudy had several games he wasn't playing well. This is what Pop said about Kyle. He's going to play.

That doesn't necessarily mean he will be back, it's just going to be a matter of if they can afford him after they take care of others. He's obviously not their main priority, but I don't expect him to play poorly at all, and might have a great postseason too. However, it definitely doesn't mean he will be back.

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by raybies

I've been starting to think, if Rudy is resigned it kinda makes Kyle redundant, cause they both kinda do the same thing. Kyle more of a playmaker though, and Rudy more of a scorer. I think if you keep Bertans and Forbes it better surrounds the bench with Rudy. Then I think about how RC or Pop was it that Kyle is putting himself in position to earn some money and in retrospect it didn't seem to commital like when Pop said they have to pay Patty a lot to keep him. I guess they put it out there they wanted Patty and I just didn't get that sense about Kyle. We'll see though.

I'm ready to make my first priority list.

Green/ Tony/ Rudy Top Priority

Forbes/ Bertans

Kyle if Bertans is lost

Joff

My inclination is that Kyle is being set up as a Simmons situation where he won't be able to stretch his wings here so to speak. We have a lot of usage players and that puts him pretty low on the totem pole. His at his best as point forward with Patty or small ball 4 and if Rudy is retained I don't see the fit. Forbes taking Manu's spot and Bertans playing the four would help the Spurs bench be pretty explosive offensively. While having Kyle would be more of a luxury.

Still tough to see, but want to see the full lineup and the bench battle between Anderson and Bertans.

A whole lot of recency bias here, but it's to be expected.

If fans question at this point if the team is better without Kawhi, it's absolutely normal to expect they don't value Anderson.

**raybies** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by SAGirl

A whole lot of recency bias here, but it's to be expected.

If fans question at this point if the team is better without Kawhi, it's absolutely normal to expect they don't value Anderson.

I don't think I was being biased to recency. I'm just thinking about fit at this point. But I did forget the versatility to having Kyle in case one Rudy gets injured or a four. He can play both positions. I'm really torn at this point. But I think Kyle playing like he has will get him the minutes over Bertans, thus making him more valuable and making Bertans less valuable which means we probably lose him and keep Bertans. But Still long season. It just depends on which direction we are gonna go. I just think Forbes and Bertans would be more explosive and better fit for the bench with Rudy. Pop seems to love Forbes already imo and he typically loves a stretch four.

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by raybies

I don't think I was being biased to recency. I'm just thinking about fit at this point. But I did forget the versatility to having Kyle in case one Rudy gets injured or a four. He can play both positions. I'm really torn at this point. But I think Kyle playing like he has will get him the minutes over Bertans, thus making him more valuable and making Bertans less valuable which means we probably lose him and keep Bertans. But Still long season. It just depends on which direction we are gonna go. I just think Forbes and Bertans would be more explosive and better fit for the bench with Rudy. Pop seems to love Forbes already imo and he typically loves a stretch four.

Yet Kyle had started games (unlike Bertans and Forbes himself only very recently) and played more minutes than both.

I do think he's a luxury to have and he can be gone just by virtue of Spurs having other priorities and him being too good at this point to be in this predicament...

**$pursDynasty** · 12-10-2017

First priority is talking LBJ into joining the (excuse the nickname) KingSlayer, LMAlpha, MVParker and CIA Pop to win, not one, not two...maybe just 3

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by raybies

I don't think I was being biased to recency. I'm just thinking about fit at this point. But I did forget the versatility to having Kyle in case one Rudy gets injured or a four. He can play both positions. I'm really torn at this point. But I think Kyle playing like he has will get him the minutes over Bertans, thus making him more valuable and making Bertans less valuable which means we probably lose him and keep Bertans. But Still long season. It just depends on which direction we are gonna go. I just think Forbes and Bertans would be more explosive and better fit for the bench with Rudy. Pop seems to love Forbes already imo and he typically loves a stretch four.

I've just thought about this more, and I don't think time played will affect any of them, specially Davis and Kyle, with a big/forward rotation that includes Lamarcus/Rudy/Kawhi, it's expected their minutes will be short. They made the best of their play when they got time.

If anything, I think Davis has a skill that is really easy to market.

**raybies** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by SAGirl

I've just thought about this more, and I don't think time played will affect any of them, specially Davis and Kyle, with a big/forward rotation that includes Lamarcus/Rudy/Kawhi, it's expected their minutes will be short. They made the best of their play when they got time.

If anything, I think Davis has a skill that is really easy to market.

That's a good point about skill set. Kyle def has a more unique skill set.

**TD 21** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by TD 21

If in fact they have about $38M to spend, here's how I think it plays out . . .

- Green: 4/$50M
- Parker: 2/$16M
- Anderson: 4/$38M
- Bertans: 3/$15M
- Gay: opts out and signs elsewhere
- Forbes: receives qualifying offer and either has it rescinded or signs offer sheet for 2/$8M that goes unmatched
- Lauvergne: opts in

Leaves about $2M for the 1st and a minimum signing, while leaving a roster spot open.

On second thought, presuming relative health, Parker is probably getting $10M annually, so to account for this, Anderson is probably getting more like $8M annually. Of course, it's difficult to pinpoint exact amounts and should be viewed more as a range.

Think Bertans is the most difficult to predict. Wouldn't be shocked to see a team like Mavericks, with cap space to burn, unable to attract stars and a need at forward, come with something like a 3/$21M offer sheet.

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by TD 21

On second thought, presuming relative health, Parker is probably getting $10M annually, so to account for this, Anderson is probably getting more like $8M annually. Of course, it's difficult to pinpoint exact amounts and should be viewed more as a range.

Think Bertans is the most difficult to predict. Wouldn't be shocked to see a team like Mavericks, with cap space to burn, unable to attract stars and a need at forward, come with something like a 3/$21M offer sheet.

I totally can see a scenario like the one you describe

**Ice009** · 12-10-2017

Do you guys think the Spurs will try and make a run at LeBron? Do you think they'll even get a sit down with him?

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by Ice009

Do you guys think the Spurs will try and make a run at LeBron? Do you think they'll even get a sit down with him?

No.
I expect stand pat personally, with some RFA bolting.

**DAF86** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by TD 21

On second thought, presuming relative health, Parker is probably getting $10M annually, so to account for this, Anderson is probably getting more like $8M annually. Of course, it's difficult to pinpoint exact amounts and should be viewed more as a range.

Think Bertans is the most difficult to predict. Wouldn't be shocked to see a team like Mavericks, with cap space to burn, unable to attract stars and a need at forward, come with something like a 3/$21M offer sheet.

Man, Tony getting 10 millions per would suck more than Patty getting that. If the Spurs give that kind of money to Tony they would be seriously ing themselves over in the ass in terms of future cap flexibility.

**$pursDynasty** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by Ice009

Do you guys think the Spurs will try and make a run at LeBron? Do you think they'll even get a sit down with him?

Depends on how the season ends. If Spurs win it all, no. But if Spurs push the Dubs to 7 games in WCF, but then they destroy the Cavs, then probably. If he sees us as the best chance of ringing and beating the Dubs then I like our chances better than some young team with "potential "

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by DAF86

Man, Tony getting 10 millions per would suck more than Patty getting that. If the Spurs give that kind of money to Tony they would be seriously ing themselves over in the ass in terms of future cap flexibility.

and I can totally see it. He's still the team's starting PG and should he remain healthy, he's going to want adequate compensation.

and I can see the RFA bolting too frankly. Pop is going to lowball them (already has for Anderson, who gave that statement saying the NBA is absolutely ruthless and he has to go out there looking out for himself). Well, the issue is that sometimes you send RFA out there to look for offers and they don't come back, specially if they are seldom played when the roster is fully healthy. It's going to be JSimms, Dedmon and Lee all over again with statements thanking the Spurs for the opportunity to learn and be in the league but how it's about time to move on to the next stage in their careers.

Maybe it's no big loss, but Spurs certainly continue to get older.

**SAGirl** · 12-10-2017

Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Depends on how the season ends. If Spurs win it all, no. But if Spurs push the Dubs to 7 games in WCF, but then they destroy the Cavs, then probably. If he sees us as the best chance of ringing and beating the Dubs then I like our chances better than some young team with "potential "

not going to happen...

**Chinook** · 12-11-2017

Originally Posted by TD 21

On second thought, presuming relative health, Parker is probably getting $10M annually, so to account for this, Anderson is probably getting more like $8M annually. Of course, it's difficult to pinpoint exact amounts and should be viewed more as a range.

Think Bertans is the most difficult to predict. Wouldn't be shocked to see a team like Mavericks, with cap space to burn, unable to attract stars and a need at forward, come with something like a 3/$21M offer sheet.

I don't see any way to argue that Anderson will get less so Parker will get more. If he can command that contract, he will -- from someone. Tony already got his above-market deal. He'd be getting an extension right now (he's eligible) if it was up to him to set his contract.