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Stats such as BPM or VORP account for the level of your teammates, tbh.
i remember when willie anderson used to put up big numbers.
Stats such as BPM or VORP account for the level of your teammates, tbh.
LOL. "Advanced" metrics. They're designed to make a game seem more complicated than it is.
Actually, they are designed to make it simpler.
"Advanced" metrics said we were better without Kawhi last year
virgins that can't dribble a basketball wanted to get involved with the game, so they pulled stats out of their asses
I dunno how. "Raw" stats seem pretty simple. TS%, +/- and the whole lot don't make it easier for the average fan.
No, they didn't.
In fact the raw, "no-depth having" numbers are the ones that indicate that the Spurs went 7-1 when Kawhi didn't play.
Well, understanding advanced stats, which isn't anything really that diffuclt, makes the game easier to understand. It opens your eyes and it makes you pay attention to things you might not have pay attention to before.
Real comment, not tryna be a , but for instance, which stats would you suggest make it easier for a casual fan to understand and open their eyes?
The ones I've mentioned before: BPM and VORP are probably the best ones available to determine the impact that a player has on games.
But then you have a lot of simpler ones like comparing field goal % to true shooting %. If a guy makes half of his shots and the other makes 40 % of them, it doesn't mean that the guy that makes half of his shots is automatically more efficient. Or points per game, just because a guy scores more points per game than another it doesn't automatically mean that that player is the better scorer. Same with assists and rebounds and any other thing that you can think of. It really isn't that difficult, tbh.
Manu Ginobili:
-2.7BPM
-0.1VORP
This should be behind Derrick White on the depth chart
It's pointless to really debate JSimms.
One has to be happy for him that he's reached the level that he aspired to. He's in the starting lineup of an NBA team. He's more than doubled his scoring with higher usage and against starting level compe ion and is generating a lot of his own shots. That was really what he wanted.
His next development if he can reach it is that he has to be more than just a scorer with no impact on the game otherwise to alter it's outcome. Is he helping the team win or is he simply taking baskets for himself that the team can generate anyways through other players?
He's maybe hustling less. He's not grabbing rebounds, loose balls, or being a pest defensively, his hustle has gown down.
There is no point in discussing him much. He's like Marco or CoJo, or Baynes, an ex-spur that one has to be happy about when they play well and wish them the best, even thank him for the good memories. To some degree one misses their energy, but that is it. (Team could use a Baynes off the bench instead of a Joff for example)
Only TGY and some trolls overrate him like he's Michael Jordan.
"One has to be happy for" .... as he continues to on Fathead's superior and continues to bump his threads when he gets crossed over
Stop with the fake tears got. That's why your boy is nursing his large cracked cranium while the team keeps winning without him.
"One has to be happy for" .... as he continues to on Fathead's superior and continues to bump his threads when he gets crossed over
Stop with the fake tears got. That's why your boy is nursing his large cracked cranium while the team keeps winning without him.
Poor SAguy always getting on by TGY.
It depends on what you mean. If the goal is just to have fans smile and nod, then most things make it harder. If the goal is so the average Joe understands why the game is trending the way it is, those stats help. TS% is a great way to see why the league is going small nowadays. The other stats are less helpful. Something like RPM is misleading as if you used it to compare players without context. Like it has LMA as a mediocre starting big and a negative defensively when he's been the best player on the team by far and in the middle of an All-NBA--caliber season.
Compare it to other players on the team dude... Lol... U talk as if you know own what you are saying... There are players more beloved on the team that had worse numbers... But it's OK since they are more likedThere are a lot of average wings with average/positive impact stats on losing teams.
This is rich coming from you of all people
They're pretty horrible actually. They were kind of bad last season too on a 61-21 team with a top 3 bench in the NBA.
U don't watch magic games and are making a lot of assumptions
Funny how even Magic players absolutely love jSimms... And they watch all the games, so would know his impact on their team better than us.... They even prefer Simmy over Fournier...to the point they wanna trade Fournier... But I can guarantee ppl on this board would say Fournier is better than jSimms without any context
Go ahead, compare. Make a case.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...L/2018/on-off/
There's your context. Simmons' numbers are worse than any other rotation player on the team. That means that no, it's not because he's on a bad team. He's making that bad team worse when he's on the floor.
https://www.basketball-reference.com.../ORL/2018.html
His impact stats are much worse than most of his teammates. Who cares whom the Magic prefer? They traded the only good player they've drafted since Howard for half a year of Ibaka. They have coaches trying to quit on them after just a year. Next you're going to want us to ask Vivek to consult on roster moves.
I'm talking about the magic fans... The magic fans love Simmons... Over Fournier at that...
You really know nothing, John... Last year Simmons had a better vorp than Parker (vorp takes into account playing time, while bpm doesn't)... Aldridge had a worse obpm than patty mills... By a significant amount at that... But continue to use stats without content to justify why Simmons doesn't deserve to be on the Spurs bench... You guys are the same idiots that said Brandon Paul was better...
Who cares? we got Kawhi.
Simmons would have been useful after Kyle got hurt, I'll give you that. However:
https://www.basketball-reference.com...02&idx=players
https://www.basketball-reference.com...mojo02&y3=2017
https://www.basketball-reference.com...mojo02&y2=2016
Paul is still playing at least as good as Simmons is. If you're looking at Paul and going "That guy's a scrub," well...
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