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    There is a difference between attempting to infer something based on statements, and begging the question. If you like, I can take the action of explaining how they are different.

    I was merely trying to get a baseline of discussion, but whatever is up your butt seems to be distracting you.

    I don't think you are capable of an honest discussion, because you seem vastly more concerned with personal attacks than actually getting anywhere.

    Your continued failure to say anything meaningful is all on you, so please stop blaming me for your failures. You could choose to move beyond them at any time. Yet you choose not to.
    Go ahead and explain the difference between begging the question and the question you asked me about approving sexual assault.

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    RIP Nikki Haley or is this fake news?

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    RIP Nikki Haley or is this fake news?


    Isn't one of these your tweeter?

    Now wonder you follow so closely.

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    Isn't one of these your tweeter?

    Now wonder you follow so closely.
    Is that your subtle way of coming Out?

    Good luck in your endeavors.

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    What’s is Brave New Films?
    A film production company funded by George Soros' Open Society and partnered with Media Matters.


    Skeptic Darrin accepts Pizzagate Guy's answer because "Soros."

    BNF is a Robert Greenwald project that has been around since 2004. Open Society has donated to it, just like they've donated to countless other liberal causes, and they have received donations from people other than Soros.

    TSA's answer, like the DailyWire article he probably got his talking points from today, implies that BNF is some kind of Soros media arm. And it fits Darrin's narrative, so naturally he accepts it without question and ignores the actual story here like a good impressionable minion.

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    Skeptic Darrin accepts Pizzagate Guy's answer because "Soros."

    BNF is a Robert Greenwald project that has been around since 2004. Open Society has donated to it, just like they've donated to countless other liberal causes, and they have received donations from people other than Soros.

    TSA's answer, like the DailyWire article he probably got his talking points from today, implies that BNF is some kind of Soros media arm. And it fits Darrin's narrative, so naturally he accepts it without question and ignores the actual story here like a good impressionable minion.
    Are you surprised?

    These are the same people who get their "facts" off of memes and take it as gospel news.

    They dont challenge each other on the validity of the source. They take each other words over it.

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    Trump furious with Nikki Haley after she says his assault accusers ‘should be heard’

    House, President Donald Trump did not react well to news that U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley stood up for sexual assault victims during an interview on CBS on Sunday.

    The Associated Press reports that “Haley’s comments infuriated the president,

    Haley commended the women who have come forward as part of the #MeToo movement, saying, “I’m proud of their strength. I’m proud of their courage.”

    “They should be heard, and they should be dealt with. And I think we heard from them before the election. And I think any woman who has felt violated or felt mistreated in any way, they have every right to speak up.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/tru...-heard-report/



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    The White House’s audacious new lie about the women accusing the president of sexual abuse

    There is only one "eyewitness," and his story is a sham.

    , the White House claims that the accusations were contradicted “in most cases” by eyewitnesses:

    These false claims, totally disputed in most cases by eyewitness accounts, were addressed at length during last year’s campaign, and the American people voiced their judgment by delivering a decisive victory.

    The timing and absurdity of these false claims speaks volumes, and the publicity tour that has begun only further confirms the political motives behind them.
    This is a lie.

    Only one “eyewitness” has ever emerged to dispute a claim of sexual assault against Trump. That man, Anthony Gilberthorpe, is a serial fableist with a history of pushing false stories for a few minutes of attention.
    Gilberthorpe claims that he was in the first-class cabin with Trump and Jessica Leeds during a cross-country flight in 1980. Gilberthorpe presented no actual evidence that he was on the flight, “just his self-described excellent memory.

    He also did not explain why he might have been on a first-class domestic flight in the U.S. as an 18-year-old British boy. He also did not explain why, if he had been on such a flight, he would remember an interaction between Trump and Leeds in which “nothing inappropriate” occurred.

    He also claims that Leeds, who was in her 30s at the time, confided in him during the flight that she wanted to marry Trump.

    Trump’s eagerness to rely on such an unreliable account suggests he has little information that contradict the allegations against him.

    During the campaign, Trump and Mike Pence promised information that would prove all the allegations against Trump are “all categorically false.”

    They later confirmed that they were alluding to Gilberthorpe’s story.

    https://thinkprogress.org/the-white-houses-audacious-new-lie-about-the-women-accusing-the-president-of-sexual-abuse-fe7187f24282/
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-12-2017 at 11:04 AM.

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    Are you surprised?

    These are the same people who get their "facts" off of memes and take it as gospel news.

    They dont challenge each other on the validity of the source. They take each other words over it.
    Meanwhile your facts are taken from knee-jerk articles from desperate journalists who ignore simple things like dates.

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    Skeptic Darrin accepts Pizzagate Guy's answer because "Soros."

    BNF is a Robert Greenwald project that has been around since 2004. Open Society has donated to it, just like they've donated to countless other liberal causes, and they have received donations from people other than Soros.

    TSA's answer, like the DailyWire article he probably got his talking points from today, implies that BNF is some kind of Soros media arm. And it fits Darrin's narrative, so naturally he accepts it without question and ignores the actual story here like a good impressionable minion.


    They seem like a really unbiased organization

    https://www.bravenewfilms.org

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    Skeptic Darrin accepts Pizzagate Guy's answer because "Soros."

    BNF is a Robert Greenwald project that has been around since 2004. Open Society has donated to it, just like they've donated to countless other liberal causes, and they have received donations from people other than Soros.

    TSA's answer, like the DailyWire article he probably got his talking points from today, implies that BNF is some kind of Soros media arm. And it fits Darrin's narrative, so naturally he accepts it without question and ignores the actual story here like a good impressionable minion.
    I just went to their about page and looked up their donors and partners.

    https://www.bravenewfilms.org/about

    Who’s BNF’s largest donor?

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    Simplified:
    This thread will have as many liberal snowflakes flocking to it as the trembling conservatives lemminged to pizzagate.
    Cept Pizzagate is not made up, and show me the 500 plus page Pizzagate thread if you want to make the equivalency all the same.

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    Cept Pizzagate is not made up, and show me the 500 plus page Pizzagate thread if you want to make the equivalency all the same.
    Eh, what's real about Pizzagate?

    I will have to ask you to be specific, considering the thread.

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    They seem like a really unbiased organization

    https://www.bravenewfilms.org
    Who said anything about unbiased? Do you believe BNF's liberal bias means the women in this video are lying?

    Do you believe BNF put them up to this?

    (I bet you won't answer.)

    I just went to their about page and looked up their donors and partners.

    https://www.bravenewfilms.org/about
    What a happy coincidence that you and DailyWire/Gateway Pundit looked at the BNF "About" page on the same exact day and used one of their funding partners as evidence against the accusers' credibility.

    Who’s BNF’s largest donor?
    I can't tell from the information I can find. Open Society appears to be one of five top donors contributing at least $200K of their total $2.5MM in 2016 revenue along with the Ford Foundation.

    If you have better info, feel free to provide it. As it stands it seems like you could have just as easily said BNF is a Ford-funded media company.

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    They seem like a really unbiased organization

    https://www.bravenewfilms.org
    a Fox News watcher/Drudge Report reader complaining about bias

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    Go ahead and explain the difference between begging the question and the question you asked me about approving sexual assault.
    As you wish. First let's see if we can pin down "begging the question".

    Begging the question is a circular argument that assumes the premise buried in the question itself to confirm the question.

    Identify the premise in the question, and then try to state how it is circular:

    "What does serial sexual assault say about a man?"




    For reference:
    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...g-the-Question
    http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/re...-Question.html
    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...-the-question/

    If you can't identify a circular argument, why do you think that is?

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    Trumps a re but where's the sexual harassment part?

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    Trumps a re but where's the sexual harassment part?
    she would do anything for campaign contributions. You see what that implies.

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    she would do anything for campaign contributions. You see what that implies.
    That's a big ass leap.

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    That's a big ass leap.
    Anything actually includes alot. "She would do anything" generally means one thing.

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    Skeptic Darrin accepts Pizzagate Guy's answer because "Soros."

    BNF is a Robert Greenwald project that has been around since 2004. Open Society has donated to it, just like they've donated to countless other liberal causes, and they have received donations from people other than Soros.

    TSA's answer, like the DailyWire article he probably got his talking points from today, implies that BNF is some kind of Soros media arm. And it fits Darrin's narrative, so naturally he accepts it without question and ignores the actual story here like a good impressionable minion.
    It shows a perfect example of how poor Darrins reasoning skills are. I have been talking to the human being on the other end of that for years about climage change. For years I have shown him how flawed his reasoning is, in terms of "ad hominem".

    "it is wrong because of the source"

    When I try to use very simple examples to coax him out of his Dunning-Kruger effect haze, he acts like he can't read.

    Example:
    "An umbrella salesman, says that it is forecast to rain today, so therefore it will not rain, because he has a motive to lie".

    What the forecast says about the rain is a fact that exists outside of who claims it. What is actually important is the claim itself.

    This has been explained to him repeatedly, yet he still thinks it works, as in this case.

    It is fine to apply a bit of extra skepticism, where appropriate. But Darrin keeps running back to arguments like this, like a dog to vomit. It is sad to see someone so enslaved to bad thinking.

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    Anything actually includes alot. "She would do anything" generally means one thing.
    Uh...no it doesn't. It's a pretty a common phrase. And in most cases, normal people don't infer sex.

    The fact that you think it implies sex makes you pretty creepy.

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    Uh...no it doesn't. It's a pretty a common phrase. And in most cases, normal people don't infer sex.

    The fact that you think it implies sex makes you pretty creepy.
    So most people go around saying "she would do anything" without anything being infered from that. Sure. Naive boy.

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    As you wish. First let's see if we can pin down "begging the question".

    Begging the question is a circular argument that assumes the premise buried in the question itself to confirm the question.

    Identify the premise in the question, and then try to state how it is circular:

    "What does serial sexual assault say about a man?"




    For reference:
    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...g-the-Question
    http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/re...-Question.html
    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...-the-question/

    If you can't identify a circular argument, why do you think that is?
    You have to know the context in which the question is asked.

    1. You claim person X sexually assaulted person Y because person Y said so.
    2. I challenge the veracity of the claim of Person Y
    3. You ask what sexual assault says about person X

    Your question infers person X sexually assaulted someone. Since we haven't established sexual assault happened, the question about what it means about a person is either A) moot or B) begging the question

    I gave you benefit of the doubt that you wouldn't ask a moot question. Ergo you are begging the question. If you'd like to change that to "moot", that's ok.

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