Official Trump sexual allegation watch thread

[DMC]

He tends to go off the deep end. Was spamming melania modeling picks after the election

He's the Political forum version of Fabbs, really into tabloid level , TMZ basically.

[RandomGuy]

I don't think Trump committed sexual assault. Unwanted advances can be shunned, that's not assault.

ome of Trump’s accusers describe acts that could have fallen under New York’s definition of “forcible touching,” a Class A misdemeanor; the statute of limitations for that crime is two years. Stoynoff’s Mar-a-Lago story could meet Florida’s definition of battery; that offense has a four-year statute of limitations in the state.

There is a single ongoing piece of litigation against the President, a civil defamation suit lodged by Summer Zervos, the former “Apprentice” contestant, who alleges that Trump “aggressively” kissed her, groped her, and thrust his genitals at her.

Personally I think they are telling the truth. They all seem vastly more credible than he does.

He has committed sexual assault. I don't see why you are working so hard to ignore that, or have some weird definition that doesn't include actively groping someone.

You're welcome to your own definition, of course, but if you want to make excuses for him, you will have to provide something a bit more clear if you want anyone else to buy into it.

[DMC]

Personally I think they are telling the truth. They all seem vastly more credible than he does.

He has committed sexual assault. I don't see why you are working so hard to ignore that, or have some weird definition that doesn't include actively groping someone.

You're welcome to your own definition, of course, but if you want to make excuses for him, you will have to provide something a bit more clear if you want anyone else to buy into it.

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

[djohn2oo8]

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

Is that what happened with Franken? Wait for the verdict?

[djohn2oo8]

Pretty sure DMC was all over that Weinstein thread when that first came out..

[DMC]

Is that what happened with Franken? Wait for the verdict?

Al quit.

I am on record here saying that photo doesn't indicate anything of the sort.

[RandomGuy]

Begging the question is merely asserting in your statement what you're trying to establish in the first place. You haven't established that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. You have allegations only. Then you ask me how I feel about a man who commits sexual assault.

Read the links. Begging the question requires a form of circular reasoning, which is absent. Your claim, your burden of proof. Repeating your false claim twenty times, doesn't make it true on the twenty-first.

Again, if you want to have a useless definition of something that is your prerogative. You are going to exclude from discussion any question where some aspect of information is required to answer it.

Since you want to quibble about the semantics, then I will be happy, yet again, to be as clear as possible.

In general, for any given man, what does the fact that he commits serial sexual assault on women say about him?

[vy65]

[DMC]

Read the links. Begging the question requires a form of circular reasoning, which is absent. Your claim, your burden of proof. Repeating your false claim twenty times, doesn't make it true on the twenty-first.

Again, if you want to have a useless definition of something that is your prerogative. You are going to exclude from discussion any question where some aspect of information is required to answer it.

Since you want to quibble about the semantics, then I will be happy, yet again, to be as clear as possible.

In general, for any given man, what does the fact that he commits serial sexual assault on women say about him?

Circular reasoning: Trump is a sexual assaulter because he was accused of it and I believe it, so how do you feel about a guy who sexually assaults someone which means you support a sexual assaulter if you support Trump

Close enough

You're going to abandon this just like you abandoned the "objective morality" claim you made. One of you snowflakes made it.

[djohn2oo8]

DMC I thought you don't think about these things? Or is that just Roy Moore?

[lebomb]

I know the mufawkuh did it.

[RandomGuy]

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

My bias doesn't disqualify me from anything, as much as you want it to. What is ironic is that your bias against me means that you have automatically assumed that the only reason I buy into this is that I dislike Trump.

The problem here with "waiting for a verdict" is that there will be no trial for any of this.

You sometimes have to make calls with ambiguous, conflicting information. Reality rarely waits for, or even offers, perfect clarity.

The statement "Donald Trump committed sexual assault" has a truth independent of my thinking. It is either, in fact, true, or not true.

Given the fact that you have women whose statements form an overall coherent picture, it seems that granting them some measure of validity seems warranted. Ok to be somewhat skeptical, and take them each at their own.

If there were some form of trial, I am happy to wait for that trial, but I can form an opinion without having full information. I think I have enough to make a call I am fairly confident in, especially when the gentleman in question admitted to such behavior on tape. That is particularly damning.

[RandomGuy]

Circular reasoning: Trump is a sexual assaulter because he was accused of it and I believe it, so how do you feel about a guy who sexually assaults someone which means you support a sexual assaulter if you support Trump

Close enough

You're going to abandon this just like you abandoned the "objective morality" claim you made. One of you snowflakes made it.

Nope. Not at all what I said. Now you are just making things up.

I haven't abandoned that bit either. It is possible to get a form of morality that can be as objective as possible, when based on well being.

[RandomGuy]

Begging the question is merely asserting in your statement what you're trying to establish in the first place. You haven't established that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. You have allegations only. Then you ask me how I feel about a man who commits sexual assault.

I wasn't asking about Trump. I was speaking generally, to see if you were human enough to think that serial sexual assault might mean that a man was a ty person. If you can't be honest about that, then I wasn't really going to bother going further.

I thought it an easy, softball question. Apparently not.

[RandomGuy]

I'm sure there are some starving children somewhere for you to laugh at. Skip along.

[vy65]

I'm sure there are some starving children somewhere for you to laugh at. Skip along.

[Trill Clinton]

So dude is insinuating she s for donations lol

[djohn2oo8]

So dude is insinuating she s for donations lol

Yup.

[Trill Clinton]

my neighbors wife always comes to my house "begging" *wink wink* to borrow some sugar(and lord knows she'll do anything for some sugar)

[boutons_deux]

one of the 3 ladies yesterday said he went after her on an airplane, she got away.

two years later he met her again and REMEMBERED her, called her a ****.

Of course, this was some years ago, so clearly his current mental illness and deterioration are much worse.

[RandomGuy]

To quote pavs, so just innuendo

Depends on how you are using that term.

Donald Trump is a creepy mother er, and has a long history of creepy statements, which I provided. If one is trying to prove creepiness, what standard of proof needs to be met?

[RandomGuy]

[deflection at having the statement "I think the children of people who make bad decisions should be allowed to starve to death" shoved in his face again]

Until you walk it back, any lectures about morality from you ring pretty hollow. You could always man up and say "ok, it was hyperbole, I was wrong". Your words, your choice.

[vy65]

Until you walk it back, any lectures about morality from you ring pretty hollow. You could always man up and say "ok, it was hyperbole, I was wrong". Your words, your choice.

Lol and who deflected first? Tell me, which of the logical fallacies that you love to trot out is that?

You had all of substance to say, got called out by numerous posters for taking a ridiculous position, and had to bring up I said in posts from literally years ago. That's exceptionally desperate

[Trill Clinton]

I know the mufawkuh did it.

[benefactor]

Anyone with a partially functioning brain/not a blind Trumper knows he probably did to these women most of what he's been accused of. It comes down to what is actually damaging enough to build a case against him. Not sure that we are there yet.