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    NASA REPORT: Antarctic Ice Sheet is Actually… Growing By Billions of Tons?

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

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    nice 2015 article. now show the article that shows that the arctic ice sheet is shrinking at a much faster rate than the antarctic decline

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    NASA REPORT: Antarctic Ice Sheet is Actually… Growing By Billions of Tons?

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses
    When the article talks about warmer moist air increasing precipitation and the debate over the equilibrium as it's snow serves to replace the ice that is melting in the warmer ocean, I guess you just completely missed the significance of all that.

    Protip: no one is arguing that antarctica is not cold anymore.

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    When the article talks about warmer moist air increasing precipitation and the debate over the equilibrium as it's snow serves to replace the ice that is melting in the warmer ocean, I guess you just completely missed the significance of all that.

    Protip: no one is arguing that antarctica is not cold anymore.
    Your stupidity is noted.

    As years go by, that snow will be compressed and become part of ice sheets.

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    Your stupidity is noted.

    As years go by, that snow will be compressed and become part of ice sheets.
    No one is disputing that, dimwit.

    The point is that antarctica can warm and still not thaw. The mean temperature is in the neighborhood of -50 degrees centigrade. The highest temperature at the south pole ever recorded is -12 degrees. If it gets to -8 it's still frozen.

    The takeaway here is that Antarctica is a desert and the climate there is changing by increased precipitation from the increasingly moist air; evaporation is not a challenging concept for most. Unlike the arctic there is no ocean flow to circulate to the south pole. As such it stays frozen year round on the interior while the perimeter is being melted by the ever warming oceans.

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    Citizen's United is the 500 lbs gorilla in this particular train of thought. The rallies, advertising, and political donations have been well do ented in this thread.

    BTW, Curry is a paid forecaster for fossil fuel companies and she uses a lot of the typical debunked arguments like the pause and models not being perfect as valid denunciations. The mistake you are making with Yoni is allowing him to dictate the argument when his premise is garbage. The argument should be what Curry's arguments actually are not this beating around the bush where the bush is trying to feed her credibility obliquely.
    Pretty much. Every time one digs into Yonivore's slick arguments they always tend to have the same slime at the center. It's like an m & m filled with jellied pond s . As long as you don't bite down it tastes like sugar, but the instant you do, you realize what is at the center and it is never as good as advertised.

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    Climate Change no longer designated a “National Security Threat”

    It appears that the Trump Administration may be doling out even more policy goodness this Christmas season.

    A few short weeks ago it was being reported that the 2,400-page National Defense Authorization Act that Congress sent to President Trump contained language that contradicted his views on what cons uted a national security threat.

    …Changing climate is a “direct threat” to U.S. national security, endangering 128 military bases with sea rise and global destabilization that could fuel terror groups, according to the NDAA, which is a bipartisan compromise struck by the House and Senate.


    The bill orders a Pentagon report on the top 10 at-risk bases and what should be done to protect them.

    Trump, who has described himself as a climate change skeptic, indicated he will sign the $700 billion policy bill, calling it an historic boost for the military that “could not come at a better time for our nation.” The provision is one among hundreds that offer defense reforms as well as more aircraft, ships and troops.

    However, Fox News contributor/senior editor at The Federalist Mollie Hemingway is now reporting that White House is reversing course and will eliminate climate change from a list of national security threats.

    The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the do ent and shared excerpts of a late draft.

    “Climate policies will continue to shape the global energy system,” a draft of the National Security Strategy slated to be released on Monday said. “U.S. leadership is indispensable to countering an anti-growth, energy agenda that is detrimental to U.S. economic and energy security interests. Given future global energy demand, much of the developing world will require fossil fuels, as well as other forms of energy, to power their economies and lift their people out of poverty.”

    This matches President Trump’s vision, sometimes shared using his trademark hyperbole, that the United States needs to emphasize national security and economic growth over climate change.

    As this change occurs, 14,000 troops are in Japan as North Korea continues to threaten war with the west…to address a real national security threat.

    The pride of the US Navy the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan has arrived outside Okinawa with fearsome guided-missile destroyers USS Stethem, USS Chafee and USS Mustin.

    A staggering 14,000 troops will take part in the exercises as the White House ordered flexing of US military might in the region.

    US Navy F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets from the Carrier Air Wing (CVW) are expected to be involved.

    Marines and naval officers will take part in firing tests, fly overs and mock battles in a bid to ensure they are each ready for conflict with the North.

    Highly trained maritime patrol and reconnaissance squadron will spend ten days in the area, in an action which is likely to provoke North Korea.

    As a reminder, China has built several refugee camps along its border with North Korea. Paired with this development, it appears that not only are security threats being listed, they are also being addressed instead of being kicked like a can down the road of history.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/1...curity-threat/

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    Only incompetent politicians think its a "national security threat."

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    Let it go: The Arctic will never be frozen again

    a group of polar scientists made a startling declaration: The Arctic as we once knew it is no more.

    The region is now definitively trending toward an ice-free state, the scientists said, with wide-ranging ramifications for ecosystems, national security, and the stability of the global climate system.

    It was a fitting venue for an eye-opening reminder that, on its current path, civilization is engaged in an existential gamble with the planet’s life-support system.

    a group of polar scientists made a startling declaration: The Arctic as we once knew it is no more.

    The region is now definitively trending toward an ice-free state, the scientists said, with wide-ranging ramifications for ecosystems, national security, and the stability of the global climate system.

    It was a fitting venue for an eye-opening reminder that, on its current path, civilization is engaged in an existential gamble with the planet’s life-support system.

    “What happens in the Arctic doesn’t stay in the Arctic — it affects the rest of the planet,”

    http://grist.org/article/let-it-go-t...-frozen-again/


    And as Exxon's scientists told Exxon decades ago about Exxon's carbon pollution, an ice free Arctic is great, meant more drilling.


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    Warming Seas Double Snowfall Around North America’s Tallest Peaks

    Snowfall on a major summit in North America’s highest mountain range has more than doubled since the beginning of the Industrial Age, according to a study from Dartmouth College, the University of Maine, and the University of New Hampshire.

    The research not only finds a dramatic increase in snowfall, it further explains connections in the global climate system by attributing the record ac ulation to warmer waters thousands of miles away in the tropical Pacific and Indian Oceans.


    The research demonstrates that modern snowfall in the iconic Alaska Range is unprecedented for at least the past 1200 years and far exceeds normal variability.


    “We were shocked when we first saw how much snowfall has increased,”

    https://scienceblog.com/498254/warmi...nceBlog.com%29


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    Warming Seas Double Snowfall Around North America’s Tallest Peaks

    Snowfall on a major summit in North America’s highest mountain range has more than doubled since the beginning of the Industrial Age, according to a study from Dartmouth College, the University of Maine, and the University of New Hampshire.

    The research not only finds a dramatic increase in snowfall, it further explains connections in the global climate system by attributing the record ac ulation to warmer waters thousands of miles away in the tropical Pacific and Indian Oceans.


    The research demonstrates that modern snowfall in the iconic Alaska Range is unprecedented for at least the past 1200 years and far exceeds normal variability.


    “We were shocked when we first saw how much snowfall has increased,”

    https://scienceblog.com/498254/warmi...nceBlog.com%29

    So if all this extra precipitation is building snowpacks faster than normal, why the alarmism?

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    So if all this extra precipitation is building snowpacks faster than normal, why the alarmism?
    Because Al Gore needs money.

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    So if all this extra precipitation is building snowpacks faster than normal, why the alarmism?
    Are you a ing dumbass?

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    So if all this extra precipitation is building snowpacks faster than normal, why the alarmism?
    It snowed in San Antonio.

    Take that alarmists...

    Christ...

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    So if all this extra precipitation is building snowpacks faster than normal, why the alarmism?
    Just because the south pole has not thawed does not mean it is not warming. Warmer air = more humidity = more precipitation.

    Meanwhile the north pole remaining freezing doesn't matter because ocean currents move the warmer water to the colder north melting the ice there. The net including thermal expansion is rising seas.

    This was just explained to you a week or so ago. Your dumbass has issue learning new things.

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    Just because the south pole has not thawed does not mean it is not warming. Warmer air = more humidity = more precipitation.

    Meanwhile the north pole remaining freezing doesn't matter because ocean currents move the warmer water to the colder north melting the ice there. The net including thermal expansion is rising seas.

    This was just explained to you a week or so ago. Your dumbass has issue learning new things.
    And when this cycle changes direction, whet will your stupid ass say then?

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    And when this cycle changes direction, whet will your stupid ass say then?
    We've been over this before. We're on the far side of a solar maximum. BEST analyzed the cycles like ENSO, solar, etc and determined that we are on a sustained warming trend.

    Your dumbass has been over this with us in this thread at least a dozen times. You still don't get it, partschanger.

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    We've been over this before. We're on the far side of a solar maximum. BEST analyzed the cycles like ENSO, solar, etc and determined that we are on a sustained warming trend.

    Your dumbass has been over this with us in this thread at least a dozen times. You still don't get it, partschanger.
    Believe as you wish.

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    Believe as you wish.
    It's not an issue of belief. It is an issue of being able to follow the spectral analysis and thermodynamics. You believe. I know.

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    It's not an issue of belief. It is an issue of being able to follow the spectral analysis and thermodynamics. You believe. I know.
    Yes, you have lied to yourself so often, you believe your own lies.

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    Yes, you have lied to yourself so often, you believe your own lies.
    What a meaningless throwaway line. There is empiricism and then there is the halfbaked harebrained schemes of a partschanger. The sheer number of gross oversimplifications, ignorance, and generalized nonsense from you in this thread is legendary.

    You won't even discuss science anymore you've been shamed so often. You resort to quips and snark instead.

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    Here's The Latest Global Warming Narrative FAIL








    Remember when we were told that ever-ambiguous "Climate Change" (formally known as "Global Warming") was going to leave us with milder winters and a decrease in snow? Well, that narrative has caught a slight snag: the United States has seen a steady trend in increased snow.

    "Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point," predicted the Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change, in 2001.

    WBAL-TV Chief Meteorologist Tom Tasselmyer reported an increase in snow cover over the last four Christmas holidays, up from 36% in 2014 to 49% in 2017.



    New York meteorologist and Weather-Track, Inc. President Kevin Williams highlighted an even longer trend in snowier winters:



    Moreover, Pennsylvania just broke a state record for snowfall. According to Cleveland, Ohio's National Weather Service, Erie shattered records with a total of 53 inches of snowfall in a 30-hour period. "This is the greatest 2-day total in the entire state of PA (prev. record 44" in Morgantown, PA 3/20-21/1958)."



    But don't let the data fool you. Weather has nothing to do with climate, unless it fits the Left's narrative, you rube. This remains "settled science," and anyone who dares to question the climate gurus are heretics.

    www.dailywire.com/news/25102/heres-latest-global-warming-narrative-fail-amanda-prestigiacomo

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    Here's The Latest Global Warming Narrative FAIL



    You have not a Fckn clue.
    Find a new forum.

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    Commander in Chief


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    god, what an asshat

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