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    Any other team besides the Spurs or Warriors that loses their number one Alpha and you would expect a sub .500 team. The fact that it's still a top 4 team in the conference says a lot about this team.
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    Facts.

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    Bump..

    This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adderss the major issue with the roster, which is the lack of a starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker who can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

    How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..
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    The SG tandem of Danny G-League and Manure Ginose might be the worst in the league. Can't think of any worse. Maybe Bullock and Kennard? Oh nvm

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    Umm Simmons doesn’t even play for us.

    Mills and Forbes and Green need to be gone next year.

    Tony can be traded we traded Sean so dont tell me we can’t trade Tony.

    Dude without LMA we are playing for number one lottery pick for years to come

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    Bump..

    This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adders the major issue of the roster, which is the lack of starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker that can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

    How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..
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    Just wait until next offseason when Parker re-signs 4 more years for 60 million (or some asinine contract like that).

    Warriors front office >>>>>> even if they were gifted Durant, they still picked up Jordan Bell while our draft pick is sitting on the bench watching games. And they keep upgrading and don’t stand pat like the Spurs do.

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    Just wait until next offseason when Parker re-signs 4 more years for 60 million (or some asinine contract like that).

    Warriors front office >>>>>> even if they were gifted Durant, they still picked up Jordan Bell while our draft pick is sitting on the bench watching games. And they keep upgrading and don’t stand pat like the Spurs do.

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    Umm Simmons doesn’t even play for us.

    Mills and Forbes and Green need to be gone next year.

    Tony can be traded we traded Sean so dont tell me we can’t trade Tony.

    Dude without LMA we are playing for number one lottery pick for years to come
    Are you comparing Sean Elliott to one of the greatest Spurs pg's of all-!time? RC Buford is a do nothing GM that does the bare minimum to collect his paychecks. He's the Joffrey Laughverne of basketball GMs.

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    After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

    This is what I'd prefer.

    If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

    A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

    Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

    Murray, Mack, Parker, Forbes


    Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

    This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

    Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.
    Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.

    Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.
    Frustrating to see how the Front Office the bed this past summer. From overlooking Jordan Bell to get an 8th guard on the depth chart on draft night, to paying Eddie House 50 million...two huge mistakes.. smh.

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    Ahh, I remember someone saying to go with Mack or Collison. Couldn't remember who it was though, but I definitely agreed with that when I first saw it posted, especially as I did not want to re-sign Mills at any price let alone what the Spurs paid him.

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    This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adderss the major issue with the roster, which is the lack of a starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker who can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

    How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..

    I know he was charged with domestic violence, but they more than likely could have had Collison for 2/$20M or traded Mills and Murray for Bledsoe.

    It's NBA sacrilege to so much as suggest Spurs have become archaic, yet I've seen plenty of banged up teams score with relative ease because they've adopted pace and space, while Spurs (healthy starting lineup in particular) continue their slow, ISO heavy, 3 phobic, paralysis by analysis routine for the 4th straight season.

    People praise them for their player development, but Leonard has failed to show tangible improvement as a pick-and-roll play maker and Murray continues to look flat out uninterested in shooting a jumper. These are arguably the 2 most important developments for this team going forward.

    Ahh, I remember someone saying to go with Mack or Collison. Couldn't remember who it was though, but I definitely agreed with that when I first saw it posted, especially as I did not want to re-sign Mills at any price let alone what the Spurs paid him.
    It was the guy who posted about you.

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    Other teams making moves for promising young talent for cheap while PATFO stands pat again

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    Bump..

    As good as he is, Kawhi still doesn't yet belong to Lebron stratosphere as far as making teammate better-- someone whose obscene would cause a team to completely fall part..

    This team shouldn't be missing the playoffs with how well Aldridge has played this season. And it is not like the teams they are going to lose out to like Pelicans or the Nuggets have been injury-free..

    This is why the buck should stop with Pop and his crew-- both from coaching standpoint and roster construction. It is on them. They have screwed the pooch last summer..

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    Spurs have missed a 175 games to injuries this season. We have no iden y at all. We have changed our starting lineup twice. Our bench is all over the place.

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    Bump..

    As good as he is, Kawhi still doesn't yet belong to Lebron stratosphere as far as making teammate better-- someone whose obscene would cause a team to completely fall part..

    This team shouldn't be missing the playoffs with how well Aldridge has played this season. And it is not like the teams they are going to lose out to like Pelicans or the Nuggets have been injury-free..

    This is why the buck should stop with Pop and his crew-- both from coaching standpoint and roster construction. It is on them. They have screwed the pooch last summer..
    exact
    This team was never built around Kawhi, it was built around Pop (unfortunately with the "culture" included), and with Kawhi's injury he showed his flaws now that the schedule is getting harder

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    This team was never built around Kawhi, it was built around Pop (unfortunately with the "culture" included), and with Kawhi's injury he showed his flaws now that the schedule is getting harder
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    Apparently this is their rationale for these head-scratching deals..

    From Lowe piece today..

    I remember debating the Pau Gasol signing with a Spurs official two summers ago. I was underwhelmed. He was astonished anyone could feel that way about even the creaky, aging version of Gasol. "He knows how to play," the official said. He kept repeating that. He seemed confused that I didn't find "knowing how to play" a super-compelling reason to sign someone.
    PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


    This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..

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    PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


    This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..
    It’s a shame. Don’t you get the feeling Pop said he had tried to change Aldridge and turn him into Sikma or something (I don’t know who?) abd was at the time frustrated? Signing Gasol to teach Aldridge how to play is a Pop thing to do... Gasol in his prime had the game Pop likes in a big. He can no longer compete against good teams and that’s what you mean by guys who can play... I am sure if Kiwi had played all season he would mask that enough. Not saying that as a good thing btw.
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    PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


    This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..
    who besides GSW and Houston have this mythical "talent"? are you advocating a deep tank?

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    who besides GSW and Houston have this mythical "talent"? are you advocating a deep tank?
    Doesn't mean strictly high-end talent. The talent of role-players has to be multi-faceted too. The money attached to both Pau/Mills for the evidence we have had of how both players stacked up against/in the Rockets/Warriors matchup (Pau was getting raped against latter since his Bulls days) is absolutely mind boggling.

    This was clearly one of those instances where Pop/RC didn't even bother with any feedback from team scouts and the analytics department. It is just the type of guys they like..

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    Doesn't mean strictly high-end talent. The talent of role-players has to be multi-faceted too. The money attached to both Pau/Mills for the evidence we have had of how both players stacked up against/in the Rockets/Warriors matchup (Pau was getting raped against latter since his Bulls days) is absolutely mind boggling.

    This was clearly one of those instances where Pop/RC didn't even bother with any feedback from team scouts and the analytics department. It is just the type of guys they like..
    exactly. Pau was leading Chicago to the lottery his last season there while still complaining about his minutes, starting, and in a team that had Jimmy Butler still. Pop just liked his game.

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    WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

    So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

    Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

    Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.
    Overpaying niche role players that cant defend 98 million as if they were the reasons why Spurs won 60 games...One could argue that Simmons & Dedmon were more important to their success last year as they were able to matchup better against the best teams..yet those two are gone...And these two were the ones Spurs locked down for 98 million for 3-4 years? Pathetic decisions. Pattys deal is the worst deal they've ever given out. At least with Rasho & RJ they had no depth at those positions & filled a need in the starting lineup.

    Sad times.
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    (FO suckers all year)But but.. Spurs are 3rd in the west stop complaining!

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    Overpaying niche role players that cant defend 98 million as if they were the reasons why Spurs won 60 games...One could argue that Simmons & Dedmon were more important to their success last year as they were able to matchup better against the best teams..yet those two are gone...And these two were the ones Spurs locked down for 98 million for 3-4 years? Pathetic decisions. Pattys deal is the worst deal they've ever given out. At least with Rasho & RJ they had no depth at those positions & filled a need in the starting lineup.

    Sad times.
    Not to mention last year was a Kawhi led offense. Even if Kawhi comes back, things will be difficult running a heavy antiquated post-up fadeaway jumper offense.

    Kawhi is going to have to take some of LaMah Touches shots again to give the team even the smallest of chances, and who knows what happens with the 6'11 diva then.

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