Cowboys need a reciever

[Avante]

You are saying Rice could not back safeties up. He could run by guys because he could not be caught. He could read guys lines and change speed, direction or both. How the fck do you think a guy like that scores so many touchdowns, long and short?

You are a dumbass.

Think Jerry Rice, OK?

He was not taken earlier because people like YOU were analyzing receivers you wad of stupid. Go listen to a cassette tape you ancient toad.

Dense on a whole other level aren't you? Jerry Rice was far faster than his 40 times indicated, he's not alone there. This really has to be explained to you?

Every team needs a go to guy like a Fred Biletnikoff AND a guy like Cliff Branch, why do you struggle with this?

PAY ATTENTION

Branch had world class speed so what's that mean? Yep, there he goes, now what happens to Biletnikoff, you can do this. Now think, what if one guy could run with Branch, well?

[pgardn]

Dense on a whole other level aren't you? Jerry Rice was far faster than his 40 times indicated, he's not alone there. This really has to be explained to you?

Every team needs a go to guy like a Fred Biletnikoff AND a guy like Cliff Branch, why do you struggle with this?

PAY ATTENTION

Branch had world class speed so what's that mean? Yep, there he goes, now what happens to Biletnikoff, you can do this. Now think, what if one guy could run with Branch, well?

What were his faster 40 times?

You are in full retreat you dumbass.
And you still don't get it. Fast guys can be very easy to cover if they can't accelerate. If they can't jitterbug it and read defenders and or get defenders off stride. It takes more than speed. All you want to do is pair up a slow possession receiver with a burner. That's stupid. Get two guys that are elusive with a good slot and you throw to anyone. There are very fast guys that play a possession receiver game you fathead.

You live with the old Oakland Raiders recipe ( because it's all you know) and think this must be the defining formula. Just shut your mouth, you are again making a fool of yourself.

[Avante]

What were his faster 40 times?

You are in full retreat you dumbass.
And you still don't get it. Fast guys can be very easy to cover if they can't accelerate. If they can't jitterbug it and read defenders and or get defenders off stride. It takes more than speed. All you want to do is pair up a slow possession receiver with a burner. That's stupid. Get two guys that are elusive with a good slot and you throw to anyone. There are very fast guys that play a possession receiver game you fathead.

You live with the old Oakland Raiders recipe ( because it's all you know) and think this must be the defining formula. Just shut your mouth, you are again making a fool of yourself.

Wrong as usual.

Did you really think I was talking about a 4.3 cat as a teams go to receiver, say it ain't so. I was OBVIOUSLY talking about thst guy who backs safeties off....YOUR GO TO RECEIVER.

Alvin Harper....Michael Irvin, Sonny Randle....Bobby Joe Conrad, John Stallworth....Lynn Swann, Mark Duper....Mark Clayton, and on and on.

Dude, why do you struggle so badly with common sense?

Mike Wallace, Desuen Jackson, Ted Ginn...........now think.

[SpursforSix]

Wrong as usual.

Did you really think I was talking about a 4.3 cat as a teams go to receiver, say it ain't so. I was OBVIOUSLY talking about thst guy who backs safeties off....YOUR GO TO RECEIVER.

Alvin Harper....Michael Irvin, Sonny Randle....Bobby Joe Conrad, John Stallworth....Lynn Swann, Mark Duper....Mark Clayton, and on and on.

Dude, why do you struggle so badly with common sense?

Mike Wallace, Desuen Jackson, Ted Ginn...........now think.

You just made my point dip . Cowboys need that go to receiver.

[Avante]

You just made my point dip . Cowboys need that go to receiver.

Do you suffer from some comprehension malfunctions? What good is a go to receiver if you have nobody to back defenders up, well?

Classic example....Alvin Harper and Michael Irvin.

[pgardn]

Wrong as usual.

Did you really think I was talking about a 4.3 cat as a teams go to receiver, say it ain't so. I was OBVIOUSLY talking about thst guy who backs safeties off....YOUR GO TO RECEIVER.

Alvin Harper....Michael Irvin, Sonny Randle....Bobby Joe Conrad, John Stallworth....Lynn Swann, Mark Duper....Mark Clayton, and on and on.

Dude, why do you struggle so badly with common sense?

Mike Wallace, Desuen Jackson, Ted Ginn...........now think.

You have been taught so NOW you decide to scramble for pairings using my supposition . And then you can't even get that right. John Stallworth and Lynn Swann in the same discussion as Alvin Harper and Michael Irvin. You dare put ALVIN HARPER in that group? Jesus. This is so awful.


You just dumb it down, get scared and stop answering questions because you live in a world of FB that you don't want to change. You just need to stop your stupidity and go extinct. I never said its not good to have speed. You keep with this gotta have speed to back safeties off. Big news here Avante, NFL receivers have speed. All of them. You want some guy that scares a D using pure speed. It does not work that way. You can play safeties very deep and still get run by with a player that has caught the ball in front of you.

You need to stop. You live in the world of Bob Hayes, that world is gone. You want to talk football because you think you know track. It's not working. Just make a list pairing a track time with receiving yardage and you will feel better in the morning. Then break it down into school mascot. Tomorrow night. Sleep tight my little buddy.

[Avante]

You have been taught so NOW you decide to scramble for pairings using my supposition . And then you can't even get that right. John Stallworth and Lynn Swann in the same discussion as Alvin Harper and Michael Irvin. You dare put ALVIN HARPER in that group? Jesus. This is so awful.


You just dumb it down, get scared and stop answering questions because you live in a world of FB that you don't want to change. You just need to stop your stupidity and go extinct. I never said its not good to have speed. You keep with this gotta have speed to back safeties off. Big news here Avante, NFL receivers have speed. All of them. You want some guy that scares a D using pure speed. It does not work that way. You can play safeties very deep and still get run by with a player that has caught the ball in front of you.

You need to stop. You live in the world of Bob Hayes, that world is gone. You want to talk football because you think you know track. It's not working. Just make a list pairing a track time with receiving yardage and you will feel better in the morning. Then break it down into school mascot. Tomorrow night. Sleep tight my little buddy.

You wander around in a fantasy world and it really is kinda sad.

What did Harper average per catch as a Cowboy, ya don't know do ya?

Stupidity is all that gibberish you just threw up, my God guy learn the damn game.

no not all receivers are fast (NFL caliber fast), and you will see that at the combine, I can't believe you actually posted that. Ah, no I'm not.

It does appear you don't know football at all, if ya did why say all that stupid stuff ya do?

But, I;m here for you, so there is hope.

Track is not football, ok? Tons of world class sprinters (Ray Norton, Frank Budd, Leonard Scott, Sultan McCullough, John Capel, Tommie Smith, John Carlos, Jim Hines, Xavier Carter all faster than Tyreek Hill) were busts. So stop talking stupid, ok? But......BUT....every team needs a FOOTBALL PlAYER (Olympians Bob Hayes, Sam Graddy, Johnny Jones, James Jett) with some serious jets. That guy you can't run with. You honestly don't understand any of this do you?

We have FOOTBALL PLAYERS like Tyreek Hill, Jamaal Charles, Cliff Branch, Ron Brown, Michael Bates, those Olympians mentioned above who were footballers with speed, not track guys trying to play football, I know......huh????

Rocket Ismail was the fastest player I;ve seen on a football field in his day, he had "good speed" on a track. Big Curtis ey was the only world ranked (while at Tex A&M) NFL RB ever, but you'd never know he had 10.10 jets. I know, now you're all confused.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I don't know. Unless Dak starts to throw deep more, I'd like for them to have a great possession receiver like Landry.

I would like to see what they have in Butler though.

And I sure wouldn't go D, D, D in the draft. They've go to take a hard look at shoring up the OL. They were awful when Smith was out.
I think the young secondary can hold it's own.

Smith will have back surgery and should be fine, a-la DeMarcus Lawrence last year. Drafting a swing tackle is important but you don't draft that until the 4th round at least.

Cooper was solid at LG, so you bring him back. You're not going to have perennial all-pro's at every position, you just don't want to have holes on the lines and Cooper is a nice player to have, not a liability and a very good run blocker.

Still, drafting an OT, OG, and a couple WRs in the mid rounds would be good after an all-defense first three rounds. Cowboys have four 4th rounders and two 5th rounders because of all the teams that overpaid the Cowboys' crappy secondary of last generation in free agency last offseason.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

brice butler never got a fair shot with them. produced when given the opportunities. wouldn't mind to see the raiders bring him back with crabtree on his way out

Butler has been the best receiver on the team when given the opportunity, I think the Cowboys keep him and do away with Dezzy-Poo... a man can only hope.

[sickdsm]

Speed doesn't make the receiver. See Adam Thelin.

[pgardn]

You wander around in a fantasy world and it really is kinda sad.

What did Harper average per catch as a Cowboy, ya don't know do ya?

Stupidity is all that gibberish you just threw up, my God guy learn the damn game.

no not all receivers are fast (NFL caliber fast), and you will see that at the combine, I can't believe you actually posted that. Ah, no I'm not.

It does appear you don't know football at all, if ya did why say all that stupid stuff ya do?

But, I;m here for you, so there is hope.

Track is not football, ok? Tons of world class sprinters (Ray Norton, Frank Budd, Leonard Scott, Sultan McCullough, John Capel, Tommie Smith, John Carlos, Jim Hines, Xavier Carter all faster than Tyreek Hill) were busts. So stop talking stupid, ok? But......BUT....every team needs a FOOTBALL PlAYER (Olympians Bob Hayes, Sam Graddy, Johnny Jones, James Jett) with some serious jets. That guy you can't run with. You honestly don't understand any of this do you?

We have FOOTBALL PLAYERS like Tyreek Hill, Jamaal Charles, Cliff Branch, Ron Brown, Michael Bates, those Olympians mentioned above who were footballers with speed, not track guys trying to play football, I know......huh????

Rocket Ismail was the fastest player I;ve seen on a football field in his day, he had "good speed" on a track. Big Curtis ey was the only world ranked (while at Tex A&M) NFL RB ever, but you'd never know he had 10.10 jets. I know, now you're all confused.

He had a short far less important career than the others you mentioned. It's not even close you old fart.


Whats the average of a guy who has 2 catches, one for zero yards, and one for 99 yards then gets his knee blown out. Damn idiot.
Average...

Wtf does it matter what he averaged? Now let me show you how stupid YOUR track analogies are and your idiocy about safeties.

So let me now take you apart piece by piece.

1. Tell me how a player ends up with a 40 time. Tell me specifically how this is determined.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Speed doesn't make the receiver. See Adam Thelin.

Different receivers beat you different ways... that's why it's ideal to have a variety. There are 4 general categories of receiver in today's NFL:


A) Big possession receiver/flank run blocker/jump ball catcher/red zone monster ... Best case: Megatron/Terrell Owens, Average: Dwayne Bowe/Dez Bryant, Worst case: Noah Brown

B) Pure speed receiver/deep threat on any down/returner/gadget player ... Best case: DeSean Jackson/Tyreek Hill, Average: Tommylee Lewis, Worst case: John Ross III

C) Route running wizard who can line up from anywhere ... Best case: Adam Thielen/Jordy Nelson, Average: Riley Cooper, Worst case: Jordan Taylor

D) Quick, elusive and small, great in the flats and shallow ... Best case: Wes Welker/Julian Edelman, Average: Cole Beasley, Worst case: Trent Taylor


Ideally, you'd like to have at least one of each. Avoid the "jack of all trades" guys, but if you can find someone elite in two or more of these categories, you've got a blue chip.

- Julio Jones fits both A and B and is elite
- Antonio Brown fits both B and D and is elite
- OBJ fits both B and C and is elite
- Megatron fit both A and B and was elite

In fact, if you can't find one of the above type of "double elite" receivers, don't draft a WR in the first round at all, imo.

[phxspurfan]

I heard Laurent Robinson is available

[Darth_Pelican]

Overpaying for a WR is the worst decision an NFL front office can make.

Proof?

The top wide receivers in the NFL have a combined zero rings:

Brown - 0
Julio - 0
OBJ - 0
AJ Green - 0
Hopkins - 0
Dez - 0

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Overpaying for a WR is the worst decision an NFL front office can make.

Proof?

The top wide receivers in the NFL have a combined zero rings:

Brown - 0
Julio - 0
OBJ - 0
AJ Green - 0
Hopkins - 0
Dez - 0

Very good point, I agree 100%, but



>Dez
>top wide receivers


Choose ONE

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I think the Eagles screwed up by paying Alshon Jeffery, tbh. I thought they were better that that when they committed to Jernigan, but they bit the cheese. Could have brought back both Burton and Bradham for combined half the price of Jeffery, but they screwed it up & now they'll likely lose both in the offseason.

Jeffery got a big fat goose egg on the stat sheet against a bad Raiders secondary a couple weeks ago on Xmas night. He only looked good the majority of the season because Wentz was on the team. Remember how average he looked at times with Cutler? Yeah.

[Darth_Pelican]

Very good point, I agree 100%, but



>Dez
>top wide receivers


Choose ONE

I just put Dez at the bottom of this list because that it is what the thread is basically about; finding a replacement for Dez with the next big free agent top WR.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I just put Dez at the bottom of this list because that it is what the thread is basically about; finding a replacement for Dez with the next big free agent top WR.

draft 2 receivers with good upside in the middle rounds with a couple comp picks. Draft defense heavy first 3 rounds

[sickdsm]

Different receivers beat you different ways... that's why it's ideal to have a variety. There are 4 general categories of receiver in today's NFL:


A) Big possession receiver/flank run blocker/jump ball catcher/red zone monster ... Best case: Megatron/Terrell Owens, Average: Dwayne Bowe/Dez Bryant, Worst case: Noah Brown

B) Pure speed receiver/deep threat on any down/returner/gadget player ... Best case: DeSean Jackson/Tyreek Hill, Average: Tommylee Lewis, Worst case: John Ross III

C) Route running wizard who can line up from anywhere ... Best case: Adam Thielen/Jordy Nelson, Average: Riley Cooper, Worst case: Jordan Taylor

D) Quick, elusive and small, great in the flats and shallow ... Best case: Wes Welker/Julian Edelman, Average: Cole Beasley, Worst case: Trent Taylor


Ideally, you'd like to have at least one of each. Avoid the "jack of all trades" guys, but if you can find someone elite in two or more of these categories, you've got a blue chip.

- Julio Jones fits both A and B and is elite
- Antonio Brown fits both B and D and is elite
- OBJ fits both B and C and is elite
- Megatron fit both A and B and was elite

In fact, if you can't find one of the above type of "double elite" receivers, don't draft a WR in the first round at all, imo.

And C Trump's all because you rely less on the quarterback for pinpoint accuracy. Adam Thelin it's wide open so many times because of his route running.

Every receiver you listed as a speed guy. Deep streaks or fade routes falling out of bounds make highlights but I'll still take a guy who just gets open all the time.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

And C Trump's all because you rely less on the quarterback for pinpoint accuracy. Adam Thelin it's wide open so many times because of his route running.

Every receiver you listed as a speed guy. Deep streaks or fade routes falling out of bounds make highlights but I'll still take a guy who just gets open all the time.

although, look at Green Bay this year for the counterexample, the route runners were the ones that Hundley couldn't find to save his life (that Rodgers has loved his whole career) whereas the big physical guy Davante Adams emerged as the best WR that didn't need a good QB to produce.

The more I look at analytics the more I'm actually convinced that Keenum is a pretty damn good quarterback, and it's not a fluke. He did far better than Goff last year with the same team and a bad coaching situation, for instance. He's been at least decent throughout his career and surrounded by very little talent, comes to Minnesota where there is some talent and he starts looking like himself.

[pgardn]

Cowboys got to be able to block for Prescott as well.

He has already been crowned as an outstanding given so look at what happened to him with real pressure, pressure where he gets hit every other pass play, not good. OTackles... His first year he fell into the best offensive line in the league and things were peachy. The D improves but without those tackles? Totally stagnant. With or without Zeke that's a just above .500 team. They got gifted the Oakland game. And the kicking game that had been the best... Gone. Really consistent NFL winners Pats, Steelers, etc... can deal with these issues because they know what they have at QB.

Gotta have tackles with better D and a good kicking game with Prescott not yet proven. Or, get Dak killed next season. Receivers are everywhere to be had.

[Avante]

Speed doesn't make the receiver. See Adam Thelin.

Totally missing the point.

Why play...

Cliff Branch
Bob Hayes Olympian
Johnny Jones Olympian
Sam Graddy Olympian
James Jett Olympian
Tyreek Hill
Mike Wallace
Willie Gault Olympian

Why were these Olympic sprinters Tommie Smith, Ray Norton, John Carlos, Frank Budd, Jimmy Hines given a shot?

It works like this....

Without a fear of being beat deep, now what? Think.

[leemajors]

instead they are going all in on Linehan Moore as qb coach

[Clipper Nation]

If even Kellen can't turn Trash Prescott into a good QB, will Cowboys fans finally admit he sucks?

[Mark Celibate]

If even Kellen can't turn Trash Prescott into a good QB, will Cowboys fans finally admit he sucks?

It's strange that you're so bent that the Cowboys made a mistake getting rid of Romo, yet you're happy to see the Clippers essentially do the same thing with Chris Paul.