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    Timmy was the exception. Manu is that now. It shouldn't be the norm, especially for guys under 35. This resting thing has taken on a ridiculous life of its own.

    The season is longer, less back to backs, the game is way less physical the guys fly on team first class planes, yet Pop is resting guys more than ever.

    As much as LeBron is a diva, the dude plays game after game. He's been in 6 straight finals, and numerous deep playoff runs. Sure he'll take a random game off, but most times he's on the court. Maybe he's built up such a galvanized stamina to avoid nagging, not freak, injuries because his body is just used to the grind.

    What about responsibility to sponsors and fans? Should that be take into consideration? Fans pay the salaries. Sponsors, primarily the local ones put up lots of money too to run ads during regular season games that Pop is now consistently resting half the team. He's turning the regular season into a farce.

    What do yall think?

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    I do think only Manu and Tony deserve rest games. 40 and 35 or 36, plus Tony’s body has been falling apart, ( an issue the front office has to discuss with him when he wants another contract this summer).
    Lamarcus has only rested a couple of games this season and otherwise has been a workhorse.
    Pau has only rested a couple of games too.
    Mills has played every game.
    Danny is legit injured (not rested) and he tried to play through the groin injury after taking one or 2 games off. It was clear he needed more.
    Rudy was coming back from a career ending injury. He was a risky signing the FO was able to assume to add talent. He had been in the injury list with ankles and back pains (listed as probable or questionable) but he played through some nags until his ankle forced him to sit due to inflammation.
    Joff has been injured.
    Kyle has been injured.
    Early in the season Davis has a finger wrapped and he’s a shooter who was very off so he has to sit.
    Derrick White fractured a wrist in the gleague.

    It’s just been the year of bad fortune with injuries.

    Then Kawhi’s injuries have taken a life of their own. He’s only played 8 games total and we are halfway through the season. Half of those games or more he was in minutes restrictions.

    I am not in favor of needless resting but if guys are injured... what are you going to do?

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    Timmy was the exception. Manu is that now. It shouldn't be the norm, especially for guys under 35. This resting thing has taken on a ridiculous life of its own.

    The season is longer, less back to backs, the game is way less physical the guys fly on team first class planes, yet Pop is resting guys more than ever.

    As much as LeBron is a diva, the dude plays game after game. He's been in 6 straight finals, and numerous deep playoff runs. Sure he'll take a random game off, but most times he's on the court. Maybe he's built up such a galvanized stamina to avoid nagging, not freak, injuries because his body is just used to the grind.

    What about responsibility to sponsors and fans? Should that be take into consideration? Fans pay the salaries. Sponsors, primarily the local ones put up lots of money too to run ads during regular season games that Pop is now consistently resting half the team. He's turning the regular season into a farce.

    What do yall think?
    Is Pop really resting guys more than ever this year? It seems like it's just injuries hitting us this year, and if anything he's resting far less than previous seasons.

    And Lebron fwiw has said he wants more rest and thinks it's beneficial. (He's given himself off several games for rest)

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    Lebron, I would assume has played more minutes or close to it than anyone else in the past 6 seasons combined. If he wants a few rest games, then he can have a few rest games. He's got a legit case for himself. Not many other players do, though.

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    As much as LeBron is a diva, the dude plays game after game. He's been in 6 straight finals, and numerous deep playoff runs. Sure he'll take a random game off, but most times he's on the court. Maybe he's built up such a galvanized stamina to avoid nagging, not freak, injuries because his body is just used to the grind.
    Before this season LeBron was 4th in games missed due to rest after Duncan, Manu and Garnett. Bad example.

    Rest is beneficial, it's no coincidence all teams are going this route, as well as reducing the players minutes per game, compared to the past.

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    Injuries have been a real drag on the season.

    but much of Pop's resting has not been of injured players.

    He's resting too many, too much. Is this some kind of self-defeating protest against NBA scheduling?

    I'll never forget in Game 7 vs Miami, Pop started 4th qtr with Tim (resting?) on the bench?

    wasn't the entire season-long resting strategy to have Tim, etc rested and ready to play for the Championship? WTF?

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    Before this season LeBron was 4th in games missed due to rest after Duncan, Manu and Garnett. Bad example.

    Rest is beneficial, it's no coincidence all teams are going this route, as well as reducing the players minutes per game, compared to the past.
    LeBron also plays more minutes per game than these guys, and that goes up in the playoffs. And like I've said, he's been to 6 straight NBA finals. I actually understand doing it. The dude is a workhorse.

    Pop has just gotten into this habit now of even resting young guys and bench players. Its like he's fallen in love with this pet he created and keeps feeding it more and more.
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    Injuries have been a real drag on the season.

    but much of Pop's resting has not been of injured players.

    He's resting too many, too much. Is this some kind of self-defeating protest against NBA scheduling?

    I'll never forget in Game 7 vs Miami, Pop started 4th qtr with Tim (resting?) on the bench?

    wasn't the entire season-long resting strategy to have Tim, etc rested and ready to play for the Championship? WTF?
    Examples? Cause I have seen guys not getting rested much this year due to injuries. Aside from Manu who isn't playing b2b's (he's played 34/41). TP/Kawhi are on injury management. Patty has played all 41 games, Brynn has played all 41, Murray has played all 41, Pau/LMA have played 39/41, and Green/Anderson who have both been injured have played 32/33 games respectively.

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    As far as LeBron goes he's the exception not the rule. Pop's definitely been resting a lot of non injured guys a lot this year, seems like more than normal. I don't have a problem with this as long as we win games and guys start playing more down the stretch and peak at the right time.

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    As far as LeBron goes he's the exception not the rule. Pop's definitely been resting a lot of non injured guys a lot this year, seems like more than normal. I don't have a problem with this as long as we win games and guys start playing more down the stretch and peak at the right time.
    See my post above yours. How has he been resting a lot of non injured guys this year? Am I missing something?

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    LeBron also plays more minutes per game than these guys, and that goes up in the playoffs.
    True, minutes and miles add up. There's a separate discussion about the effect of less minutes per game compared to missing full games. In any case LeBron has consistently missed about 5-10 games each season for various reasons. Don't think he's ever had a season where he's played in every single game.

    The most important thing is that the players are available and at their best during the playoffs. Regular season is a chore and most games aren't significant in any way.

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    As much as LeBron is a diva, the dude plays game after game. He's been in 6 straight finals, and numerous deep playoff runs. Sure he'll take a random game off, but most times he's on the court. Maybe he's built up such a galvanized stamina to avoid nagging, not freak, injuries because his body is just used to the grind.
    yea...thats exactly how kobe until.....all of a sudden body can't take it and snap, there goes his achilles and career, he could still be playing if he was managed under pop, think about it he is younger than manu and manu just dropped near 50 in the past two games combined. Oh i guess that resting seems to be working for manu

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    Before this season LeBron was 4th in games missed due to rest after Duncan, Manu and Garnett. Bad example.

    Rest is beneficial, it's no coincidence all teams are going this route, as well as reducing the players minutes per game, compared to the past.
    Resting is untested, not proven to do anything. Not proven to prevent anything. Why do you think rest is necessary? Basketball is currently a soft, low contact sport. You believe it because it is the new hype, not because its proven

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    Unfortunately, this is Poop on this right now:


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    Resting is untested, not proven to do anything. Not proven to prevent anything. Why do you think rest is necessary? Basketball is currently a soft, low contact sport. You believe it because it is the new hype, not because its proven
    Resting, as in real rest - massages, good sleep, recovery, etc. are proven to increase performance of athletes. Rest when spending the night in a club does nothing, of course.

    As for teams, it's easy to statistically prove that teams on at least a day rest perform better. Also you can easily look through the rest splits of Spurs players for this season and conclude that they perform better on at least a day of rest.

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    I am not in favor of needless resting but if guys are injured... what are you going to do?
    this

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    can we get a transcript of this thread and send it to Pop? better hurry so we can save the season

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    Resting is untested, not proven to do anything. Not proven to prevent anything. Why do you think rest is necessary? Basketball is currently a soft, low contact sport. You believe it because it is the new hype, not because its proven
    Some good nuggets here that offer different views than what you're saying.
    But is there actually an articulated science doctrine on resting athletes? Without turning to a learned treatise, here are a few articles that sum up the theories:

    -In 2013, Laura Hambelton of the Washington Post wrote an article detailing professional sports team trainers and their goals and concerns. Proper rest was a huge part of their concern. Washington Capitals trainer Greg Smith explained that: “You can’t make [athletes] tired. They have to have proper rest. They sleep eight to 10 hours a day. The better rest [a pro athlete gets], the better they recover.”


    -In 2014, Cork Gaines of Business Insider wrote an article detailing how Poppovich started to rest his players more over the years. Gaines wrote that in 2010-11, Pop would rest one of his stars every now and then late in the year. By 2012-13, however, Pop would started resting even early in the season and sitting the stars in groups. The pattern also showed that: “The move always happens on the road against a good team and on days when the Spurs had a game the night before.”


    -In a 2016 article for the Huffington Post, Daniel Duane found that resting was a vital component of the training process in the context of marathon trainers. Duane wrote that working out must be balanced with time off: “exercise physiologists have identified potential markers of the ulative fatigue caused by long-term training -– es in enzymes, for example, associated with inflammation and muscle damage. Jump back into working out too soon, before you shed all that built-up fatigue, and you virtually guarantee substandard performance later.”
    More- http://hoopsanalyst.com/?p=1674

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    The regular season isn’t important
    You can’t get hurt in games you don’t play
    if manu would’ve rested in more regular season games in the middle of his career maybe he wouldn’t have been injured or hurt so many playoffs. Like 4 or 5 seasons.

    keep resting

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    The regular season isn’t important
    You can’t get hurt in games you don’t play
    if manu would’ve rested in more regular season games in the middle of his career maybe he wouldn’t have been injured or hurt so many playoffs. Like 4 or 5 seasons.

    keep resting
    I hate hearing this right here. It’s the statement of spoiled fans. There are a teams that have to struggle to win games in the regular season just to make the playoffs. We just haven’t had to deal with that for a long time. By that time will come one day. And you won’t be saying that (that’s if you don’t hop off the bandwagon when you can’t take the losses). And how in the do you expect to get good seeding? People want to say just get in regardless of seeding but when has that really ever helped someone? Most teams that win have high seeds and homecourt advantage throughout.

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    What has the rest cost the Spurs possible 3rd instead of the 2nd seed?!
    You weren't catching a healthy State ...
    You can beat Rox without HCA ..
    non of the bottom 5 seeds can beat the Spurs in a 7 game series...
    Leonard wasnt winning MVP ...
    none of this, matters . stay healthy and rested
    only the 2nd round of the playoffs and further matters to Pop.
    cuz he can beat everyone else with little effort ...
    making sure KL is healthy in May is all he cares about ...

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    I hate hearing this right here. It’s the statement of spoiled fans. There are a teams that have to struggle to win games in the regular season just to make the playoffs. We just haven’t had to deal with that for a long time. By that time will come one day. And you won’t be saying that (that’s if you don’t hop off the bandwagon when you can’t take the losses). And how in the do you expect to get good seeding? People want to say just get in regardless of seeding but when has that really ever helped someone? Most teams that win have high seeds and homecourt advantage throughout.
    they got 2 seed last year lost KL and it all turned to ...hi health means more than seeding or chemistry tbh

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    I actually think "resting" for the Spurs isn't completely about "resting" at all. It's about developing other players. By pulling players from the line up, players that normally wouldn't get as much time will get more time, in some cases they may even start. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this practice, but I do think it's more than just "resting" players to protect them from injury.

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    Rest is about new analytics as people have alluded to. The consensus is that running guys into the ground playing 40 minutes gives u the Thibs/D'Antoni result. Impressive regular season teams that flame out in the playoffs. Case in point look at the 02 Lakers. Shaq basically rested all year and on B2Bs and they destroyed the field in the playoffs, playing like 40mins a game.

    If you can coast and turn it on, you should. Just like GS is doing this year. It also prolongs your stars careers by 2-3 years. Look what happened to Grant Hill

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    What has the rest cost the Spurs possible 3rd instead of the 2nd seed?!
    You weren't catching a healthy State ...
    You can beat Rox without HCA ..
    non of the bottom 5 seeds can beat the Spurs in a 7 game series...
    Leonard wasnt winning MVP ...
    none of this, matters . stay healthy and rested
    only the 2nd round of the playoffs and further matters to Pop.
    cuz he can beat everyone else with little effort ...
    making sure KL is healthy in May is all he cares about ...
    This right here.

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