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    So you were fine with Obama because there was growth in the nation's economy and whatnot?
    i didn't have much of a problem with the dude himself but overall growth was minimal and his tactics created a generation of pussies.

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    No, I don't care what his marital status, his personality, his past was. Although it had to be someone with his personality or he would never survive the attacks from almost everyone. That's how bad it's gotten - that a thrice married adulterer with a foul mouth, crass manners and huge ego got elected - simply because people are fed up with the smooth talking, politically correct people in Washington who say all the "right" things and DO all the wrong things for Americans - they'd rather cater to their donors and the rest of the world than take care of Americans (see all these Dems and RINOs who want to let in those who would DRAIN us instead of those who would help us).

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    No, I don't care.

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    They don’t have a strong centristagreed, pro-businesswho gives a , pro-free enterprise person,
    They don't have a strong candidate right now because they're doing the smart thing and waiting on 2018 returns to see what candidate they can get away with

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    i didn't have much of a problem with the dude himself but overall growth was minimal and his tactics created a generation of pussies.
    lol minimal

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    They don't have a strong candidate right now because they're doing the smart thing and waiting on 2018 returns to see what candidate they can get away with
    Do you mean which way the wind blows? what candidates the Dems get elected?

    Why is pro-business a dirty word? Chances are most people here have jobs connected with some business or other. Unless you are independently wealthy, you should be pro-business - because that means jobs, which is the way most of us make our living. Even government is treating the public as "customers" now (at least my orientation did).

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    If the Dems win, he'll be first in line to ask for corporate handouts and will be the Dem's president best friend... talk about two faced...

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    Do you mean which way the wind blows? what candidates the Dems get elected?

    Why is pro-business a dirty word? Chances are most people here have jobs connected with some business or other.
    Unless you are independently wealthy, you should be pro-business - because that means jobs, which is the way most of us make our living. Even government is treating the public as "customers" now (at least my orientation did).
    We won't know till 2018 which is literally what I said. I ain't sheeple enough to be pro-business and thinking helping my coporate bosses helps me in any way.

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    We won't know till 2018 which is literally what I said. I ain't sheeple enough to be pro-business and thinking helping my coporate bosses helps me in anyway.
    Trickle down, bro

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    Do you mean which way the wind blows? what candidates the Dems get elected?

    Why is pro-business a dirty word? Chances are most people here have jobs connected with some business or other. Unless you are independently wealthy, you should be pro-business - because that means jobs, which is the way most of us make our living. Even government is treating the public as "customers" now (at least my orientation did).
    I think you arre under estimating extraordinarily anti business or anti Elite sentiment right now. Even among Republicans and Trump base the income inequality is aggravating a good amount of them according to studies. I hate Warren and Bernie and would prefer a Centrist candidate but I would not be surprised to see someone like Bernie win in 2020 even though I think it would be a disaster

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    I think you were under estimating extraordinarily anti business or anti Elite sentiment right now. Even among Republicans and Trump base the income inequality is aggravating a good amount of them according to studies. I hate Warren and Bernie and would prefer a Centrist candidate but I would not be surprised to see someone like Bernie win 2020 even though I think it would be a disaster
    Bernie probably gets the black vote to show up and probably flips the college educated suburbanites who voted for trump cause they were smart enough to see through hillary's , but naive enough to think trump was somehow a better option. I can definitiely see a white male dem candidate pulling a mccain 2008 and nominating a woman VP for no ing reason.

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    Look at Republicans here for "too little"




    http://news.gallup.com/poll/190775/a...tle-taxes.aspx

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    I think people are getting tired of seeing horse like this and then being told its just because the top 1% is working harder than them lately

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    I think people are getting tired of seeing horse like this and then being told its just because the top 1% is working harder than them lately

    The other side of the REVILED top 1% - probably 2 middle-aged/end career, professionals with investment income:

    Florida
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $385,410

    Texas
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $424,507

    California
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $453,772 (and at those high real estate prices)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/12/how-...-us-state.html

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    The other side of the REVILED top 1% - probably 2 middle-aged/end career, professionals with investment income:

    Florida
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $385,410

    Texas
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $424,507

    California
    Annual income required to be in the top one percent: $453,772 (and at those high real estate prices)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/12/how-...-us-state.html
    All hurting and in need of help from Santa!

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    Pav, what it is, is that his supporters are past the point of whatever he says or tweets or whatever the media says about him - as long as his policies have the economy (and our future) improving, pretty much nothing else matters. I don't need to make excuses for him - he's not my husband, child or friend - his job is to DO what is in the best interest of Americans - so what if he's got a foul mouth, bad manners, xxxx whatever you can think of. Don't let whatever he says or tweets bother you - I don't.
    agreed. i care about the important things like if he's an elitist because he likes dijon mus or wears a tan suit

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    I don't see what the poll considers upper income. What does this poll say about the American Dream and striving for it (to have it taken from you and re-distributed)?

    Ds' classmate: Free healthcare and free college sounds good to me.
    Ds' teacher: Until it comes out of YOUR paycheck. What are you studying hard for?

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    agreed. i care about the important things like if he's an elitist because he likes dijon mus or wears a tan suit
    Or drinks 12 Diet Cokes a day!

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    All hurting and in need of help from Santa!
    Careful - that'll be spurraider21 in 30 years :-)

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    I don't see what the poll considers upper income. What does this poll say about the American Dream and striving for it (to have it taken from you and re-distributed)?

    Ds' classmate: Free healthcare and free college sounds good to me.
    Ds' teacher: Until it comes out of YOUR paycheck. What are you studying hard for?
    that's not even the point. the point is that there is a general feeling that the wealthy (however you choose to define it) dont pay their fair share

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    Careful - that'll be spurraider21 in 30 years :-)
    Doubt he'll say he's hurting like so many do.

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    that's not even the point. the point is that there is a general feeling that the wealthy (however you choose to define it) dont pay their fair share
    Well, my point is that that top 1%er in California earning $450k ain't all that rich after all those taxes and real estate so high. And of course, if one earns under 30K a year, $70k seems rich - so even they aren't paying their fair share.

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    Well, my point is that that top 1%er in California earning $450k ain't all that rich after all those taxes and real estate so high. And of course, if one earns under 30K a year, $70k seems rich - so even they aren't paying their fair share.
    if you're earning 450k in CA you're living quite well tbh. if you're earning that much money, the real estate prices dont bother you since you're buying not renting anyway, and so you keep the value

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    if you're earning 450k in CA you're living quite well tbh. if you're earning that much money, the real estate prices dont bother you since you're buying not renting anyway, and so you keep the value
    I don't see a home like that. I have to live somewhere and if RE prices are high, that's a much higher downpayment and % of my income that's tied up (either in mortgage or rent). If I stay in California, I still have to live somewhere when my mortgage is paid off. The only time all that money tied up in a home is an "asset" is if I sell my home in California and move to some where that's really cheap and then the difference in houses is freed up.

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    I think people are getting tired of seeing horse like this and then being told its just because the top 1% is working harder than them lately

    None of that matters when you can just run a campaign based on racism and white anger.

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