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Many teams should be interested in Willy. If that's the case, the price would be more than Paul imo.
Spurs are going to ride with Lauvergne. If there is one thing consistent about the Spurs, it's that they let their big men suck for two or three seasons before they decide they cannot play in this system. He'll eat up minutes and produce nothing. I'd be shocked if he isn't on the roster for this year and next.
Many teams should be interested in Willy. If that's the case, the price would be more than Paul imo.
I don't think they'll be all too many teams looking to pay more than token seconds for Hernangomez. He's a good prospect, but he apparently can't get minutes behind mediocre bigs, and the market for centers has been bad for years now. I think Joff and a legit first would be a better offer than most will give even though almost every team could give more.
For Willy, I would avoid a 1st with this draft class coming up.
Doesn't have to be a 2018 first.
Festus Ezeli, Jordan Hill, Shawn Long, Christian Wood, and Terrence Jones are all better than this TOSB.
Can't disagree. Bogut is done.
Spurs fans wanting Bogut remind me of the fans that wanted Damon Stoudamire in 2008 and Kevin Martin in 2016. Both were on fumes and done.
Bogut falls in the same circle to me. I've watched probably more Lakers basketball than I should this year tbh..
It is. Bogut is still a significantly better rim protector, rebounder, passer and screener. Sure, Lauvergne is more mobile, but it's not like he's some amazing p-n-r defender.
What's with the Hernangomez interest; aren't you anti old school bigs?
They probably won't do it, but they should. If they're serious about attempting to contend, they need better insurance at center.
If not traded first, the only clear cut better option guaranteed to be bought out, is Monroe. He'll likely want more of a guaranteed role though.
Agree on the likelihood of relatively poor offers. That's why most of these types of centers don't get moved. Despite their glaring limitations, its not that they suck; it's that their limitations and contract, in most cases, make it so the offers are so bad that there's no incentive, outside of finances.
Him being out of the rotation has virtually nothing to do with him. If they didn't acquire Kanter, a better version, he'd more than likely have his role. Meanwhile, O'Quinn offers something different and is a quality backup.
Bogut isn't close to what he was 2 years ago. He's a s of himself. He's like Stoudamire in 08' or Martin in 16'. Done.
The name carries a lot of weight though for the fans who haven't watched him play lately.
That's my two cents on him.
So I agree to disagree.
Hernangomez interest is there because of how his stock is very low right now. I like his grit, intelligence, motor and IQ -- he's a more athletic Oberto (I'm not saying he's a great athlete but better athlete than Oberto). I think he could be a solid back up 5 off the bench in the future if he continues to work.
Here's another:
Bolomboy just got waived so the Bucks can sign Kilpatrick for the year.
I'd prefer Bolomboy over Bogut.
well what this thread has taught me is that there are options out there...
Problem is like Chinook, BG and others pointed also in this thread, Pop isn't waiving a guy that is basically guaranteed $3 million in 2 seasons. Unless it was some kind of a trade, they will still keep Joff.
Again, not debating that, but the question isn't whether he's still good (or for those who keep mentioning it, whether the finances likely prevent it), it's whether he's still better than Lauvergne and the answer is unequivocally yes. Even though I disagree, I get the concern with Pop overplaying him though.
Relative to what it would have been before the season, I don't think Hernangomez' stock has changed. Think teams know he's out of the rotation for reasons I stated.
If Raptors don't plan on salary dumping Valanciunas in the off season (Nets?), Nogueira is the guy. They're close to the tax and overloaded with rotation centers. Elite shot blocker/lob threat and a good passer, particularly on the roll. Forbes, Lauvergne, 2nd is worth a shot.
Nogueira I like a lot. I can agree there.
You're right. I haven't. You said he's a s of what he used to be. I know he's old and his best years are way behind him.
Like I said, he'd fit right in with Parker/Pau. Even more so if the Spurs could then sign him to an expensive long term contract.
For those who didn't watch him play this year.
There's a reason he hasn't been picked up yet.
I don't blame any team for not wanting him.
That reason could very well be he's yet to decide on and/or waiting on a team. Bucks are rumored interested. They might be working the trade market first before doubling back.
Spurs won't give Joff away on waivers if they still have to pay him. They simply don't do that sort of thing. If its a bad deal, they'll leave him on the bench until a better deal comes along
With Rudy Gay as the backup stretch 4/big 3 role and Bertans taking over as the other big I don't really see the need for another one when you've got Ginobili and Patty as well off the bench. That's a 9 man rotation not including Forbes/Kyle (who is also a SF/stretch PF)/Murray. If Bertans works out I think he's the missing piece we need off the bench bringing size and more shooting.
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