JPMorgan CEO: Democrats have no chance in 2020

[rmt]

That last bit is part of the reason why I voted for Trump. I did not think that he was in it to enrich himself - in fact, being in politics has severely HURT his brand. Yes, he wanted the estate tax repealed, but as you know, it's only temporary and the increase in exemption doesn't really affect him. But for the future of his luxury hotels, if things continue on the path they were going, the top x% would just get more reviled and taxed more and he'd have less and less people staying at his hotels and playing golf. If I were him, I would never put myself through all this criticism and censure - why? he doesn't have to - he could just play golf for the rest of his life.

IMO, the way out of this mess is to ins ute policies that encourage investment, risk, small business and yes, OMG get people working instead of relying on the government - try to change the mentality toward the American Dream. Closing off the border, dealing with illegal immigration (including visa overstays), mandatory e-verify and STIFF penalties toward employers who don't comply would help with lifting wages and getting Americans back to work. I so dislike hearing about the jobs that Americans won't do. I think people get a sense of pride and accomplishment in work - no matter what it is. Just as with children, when things are handed to them, they don't appreciate or value it. This is not to say that I don't think we should give a helping hand when things are rough but it should be temporary and not a lifestyle. IMO, we need to concentrate on lifting the Americans here - not import immigrants who end up on welfare - if you want immigrants, look to Canada (particularly Vancouver) and how they have brought in so many rich investors (who pay taxes and help Canada pay for their services). I was optimistic in the 2018 Predictions thread, but I now don't think the DACA/immigration solution is gonna be done - the sides are too far apart (and if that so-called bipartisan group had brought me that bill, I'd be saying some expletives myself).

I think I've said enough today - flame away.

[pgardn]

One of the reasons I think that chart has significantly gone toward people believing the upper income should be more heavily taxed is government interference/safety nets. Human nature, being what it is, if one is receiving something for nothing (or little to nothing), one is going to want to hold on to it. This is why I am a big proponent of work requirements for any government assistance - I read somewhere (and don't have time to look it up now) that work requirements for Medicaid reduces participation. Anything that requires some work instead of none, some people are going to decide that it's not worth it to work.

Because of this government "help" and the way in which one loses it if one's income reaches a certain level, no one is incentivized to earn more lest they lose their benefits. And of course, the more people on welfare and who have less, the more they look to those who have to tax them and continue getting this government "help". I think that explains why over time (the recent decades), more and more of this thinking has become prevalent. Imo, it is the explosion of the welfare state that is the cause of people NOT trying to better themselves financially and actively seeking to stay under a certain income - part of the reason why I hate Obamacare and its insiduousness regarding Medicaid (able-bodied people under a certain income getting free healthcare with no work requirements - although Trump administration is trying to change that - I'm sure the first lawsuit is ready when it gets implemented).

Money earned from capital gains is not taxed with SS and Medicare as is earned income - you get to keep more of it. So, it is much more profitable to make money investing your money than through labor - and this is what the top x%ers do and those who earn only enough to pay living expenses can't. Most of you scoff at me and think I'm crazy when I day trade bit coin. How do you think we survived on one income all these years? Yes, I took a lot of risk - some I win and some I lose but overall, it's on the win side. And because I took such risk with my money, I should be allowed to keep it - not have it taken and re-distributed to some one who has done nothing and taken no risk. On that chart, as income rises, more people think that they (or others) should not be taxed more. Now, if you do not feel the same way, please feel free to give away what you have but keep your hands off mine. Many of you are young now, but as you earn more, your thoughts on this matter may change.

AaronY, please don't fool yourself into thinking that the man holding the bag of money only applies to Republicans - just like the sexual scandal that crosses party lines, both sides have stacked the deck with their law-making/policies (or been donor to) - Democrats too don't care a rat's behind about the little man - these policies are all to gain voters in order to stay in power and enrich themselves (see the immigration mess).

This is a perfect example of why people follow a particular party based on what is emphazied. We all know what you have said is basically correct. There are people who want something for nothing. And this absolutely infuriates some people, especially Republicans. There are also cases where people work very hard to find loopholes and essentially cheat other people out of money. This absolutely infuriates Democrats.

So now it becomes essential to identify obvious flaws in government to fix the above. Because neither help the country as a whole. And not only identify, but more importantly get A SENSE OF SCALE MONETARILY.

So what type of infuriating behavior costs US more? Examples: The financial sector takes a few evil people to extract a whole lot of income that is detrimental to the whole. A whole lot of people taking small sums out of the belief of getting something for nothing can become a huge drain as well. Just like a few people taking a few dollars from a large population (who may not even realize it).

So what do you personally always focus on?
Republicans-----> something for nothing by the masses
Democrats------> A few taking a little from a large number of people.

This is obviously a very basic argument but I believe it really does drive what information people seek out. They seek what erks them the most. Even though both behaviors MIGHT hurt them as an individual. Small businessmen see their employees taking work off for no good reason costing them the months lease and no profit after very hard work making up for those that did not show. A des ute couple might spend all their savings on paying a vastly overpriced heating/cooling bill (yea, a few old folks die when temps go to extremes; the bill. A whole lot more are probably very uncomfortable)

Now the blame:

But, but, but... if the small business had just treated the employees well they would not take off work during high volume

But, but, but... If those old folks had good family and had actually made money for themselves it would not be a problem


This is the game we play.

[sickdsm]

These did not stop Trump from winning.
So find some other characteristics that prohibits a candidate from winning the presidency.

This at ude is EXACTLY why Trump won and why re-election is a strong possibility. With the way Bernie got pushed around by the DFL behind the scenes and slapped by DWS and Hillary, the idea that he would be able to be a strong leader is rediculous. He's the type of guy that's shown you could strong arm into taking his lunch money, stealing his and making you do your homework. On the other hand, Hillary was the that would steal your lunch money, steal your Butch, make you do her homework and wish herself happy birthday. And Dems thought she was electable?


Then we get the Warren's, Schumer, Biden. Might as well send another Bush or Clinton while we're at it. I think it would surprised everyone on both sides how electable an Oprah or The Rock would be. politicians.

[rmt]

This is a perfect example of why people follow a particular party based on what is emphazied. We all know what you have said is basically correct. There are people who want something for nothing. And this absolutely infuriates some people, especially Republicans. There are also cases where people work very hard to find loopholes and essentially cheat other people out of money. This absolutely infuriates Democrats.

So now it becomes essential to identify obvious flaws in government to fix the above. Because neither help the country as a whole. And not only identify, but more importantly get A SENSE OF SCALE MONETARILY.

So what type of infuriating behavior costs US more? Examples: The financial sector takes a few evil people to extract a whole lot of income that is detrimental to the whole. A whole lot of people taking small sums out of the belief of getting something for nothing can become a huge drain as well. Just like a few people taking a few dollars from a large population (who may not even realize it).

So what do you personally always focus on?
Republicans-----> something for nothing by the masses
Democrats------> A few taking a little from a large number of people.

This is obviously a very basic argument but I believe it really does drive what information people seek out. They seek what erks them the most. Even though both behaviors MIGHT hurt them as an individual. Small businessmen see their employees taking work off for no good reason costing them the months lease and no profit after very hard work making up for those that did not show. A des ute couple might spend all their savings on paying a vastly overpriced heating/cooling bill (yea, a few old folks die when temps go to extremes; the bill. A whole lot more are probably very uncomfortable)

Now the blame:

But, but, but... if the small business had just treated the employees well they would not take off work during high volume

But, but, but... If those old folks had good family and had actually made money for themselves it would not be a problem


This is the game we play.

Why not work on solving both? Trump is allowing the states to decide whether to implement work requirements for Medicaid. How do you address the loopholes other than term limits (which will never fly) or wholesale turnover of the politicians who make laws to benefit their donors? That's not going away - because of the politics and need to control power, each side will support whoever will be elected - usually in bents - regardless of mainstream/centrist or hard left/right.

[pgardn]

This at ude is EXACTLY why Trump won and why re-election is a strong possibility. With the way Bernie got pushed around by the DFL behind the scenes and slapped by DWS and Hillary, the idea that he would be able to be a strong leader is rediculous. He's the type of guy that's shown you could strong arm into taking his lunch money, stealing his and making you do your homework. On the other hand, Hillary was the that would steal your lunch money, steal your Butch, make you do her homework and wish herself happy birthday. And Dems thought she was electable?


Then we get the Warren's, Schumer, Biden. Might as well send another Bush or Clinton while we're at it. I think it would surprised everyone on both sides how electable an Oprah or The Rock would be. politicians.

And so describe our current president and what makes his re election possible? I don't think there is ANY way he gets re elected. This post is exactly why the Democrats will retake the presidency, default. You want a guy who is NOT a politician? Surprise, surprise he is one! EVERYBODY plays a game of persuasion. This is not big news. Oh look he's bucking what is normal politics to please people who want to be persuaded he is NOT a politician.

Wrong. This makes him a politician.

[pgardn]

Why not work on solving both? Trump is allowing the states to decide whether to implement work requirements for Medicaid. How do you address the loopholes other than term limits (which will never fly) or wholesale turnover of the politicians who make laws to benefit their donors? That's not going away - because of the politics and need to control power, each side will support whoever will be elected - usually in bents - regardless of mainstream/centrist or hard left/right.

Because by your voting you focus heavily one way. It's very obvious.

[rmt]

Because by your voting you focus heavily one way. It's very obvious.

So your voting to practically allow open borders helps Americans? Flooding us with people who eventually end up on welfare instead of a merit system choosing those who would help us is what you want?

[pgardn]

So your voting to practically allow open borders helps Americans? Flooding us with people who eventually end up on welfare instead of a merit system choosing those who would help us is what you want?

And so your voting to enrich the very folks that are already uber wealthy and just stash the cash helps the country?

See how this works...

Now the but, but, but... Rebuttals.

This perfectly illustrates my long response.

[sickdsm]

And so describe our current president and what makes his re election possible? I don't think there is ANY way he gets re elected. This post is exactly why the Democrats will retake the presidency, default. You want a guy who is NOT a politician? Surprise, surprise he is one! EVERYBODY plays a game of persuasion. This is not big news. Oh look he's bucking what is normal politics to please people who want to be persuaded he is NOT a politician.

Wrong. This makes him a politician.

Love you Hillary at ude there. You gave no reasons why I'm wrong but insisting it is there way should force me to believe you. Pretty simple tbh on what a politician is. Of course if your running for a major office at that point you area politician but it's ludicrous to say that when you've spent your whole life in the private sector that somehow your in the same boat as a Bernie. It should scare you that there is lots of people that DID NOT vote for Trump that when forced to vote in a few years against a break pool of washed up politicians, Trump may very well get their vote for the first time. I'd be shocked if the DFL is as stupid as those in this forum and run a retread again though

[rmt]

And so describe our current president and what makes his re election possible? I don't think there is ANY way he gets re elected. This post is exactly why the Democrats will retake the presidency, default. You want a guy who is NOT a politician? Surprise, surprise he is one! EVERYBODY plays a game of persuasion. This is not big news. Oh look he's bucking what is normal politics to please people who want to be persuaded he is NOT a politician.

Wrong. This makes him a politician.

The economy is improving - that's why - in the end, the average American is only concerned with how it affects them personally (meaning their pocket book). And I don't think Trump fits the characteristics of a politician - he's way too politically incorrect for that - a politician would never say the things he does and would have bowed to party/donor pressure long ago.

[baseline bum]

Bernie would have been laughed right off the scene even 20-25 years ago soon as he opened his mouth

Cruz and Trump would have been too.

[pgardn]

Love you Hillary at ude there. You gave no reasons why I'm wrong but insisting it is there way should force me to believe you. Pretty simple tbh on what a politician is. Of course if your running for a major office at that point you area politician but it's ludicrous to say that when you've spent your whole life in the private sector that somehow your in the same boat as a Bernie. It should scare you that there is lots of people that DID NOT vote for Trump that when forced to vote in a few years against a break pool of washed up politicians, Trump may very well get their vote for the first time. I'd be shocked if the DFL is as stupid as those in this forum and run a retread again though

So if I don't like Trump I must love Hillary. The same Hillary that was beautifully exposed thru the rancid Clinton foundation, sure thing. Good Trumpeteer response.

Trump is playing a huge political game promising jobs to the disaffected white voters (oh coal is a booming industry) while at the same time playing tax games enriching his basic circle, the rich getting richer. All at the expense of a huge deficit which he has now persuaded the deficit hawks to re state the trickle down theories that have no merit.

And so he's NOT a politician. That's so cute.

[Trainwreck2100]

And so describe our current president and what makes his re election possible? I don't think there is ANY way he gets re elected. This post is exactly why the Democrats will retake the presidency, default. You want a guy who is NOT a politician? Surprise, surprise he is one! EVERYBODY plays a game of persuasion. This is not big news. Oh look he's bucking what is normal politics to please people who want to be persuaded he is NOT a politician.

Wrong. This makes him a politician.

It's at ude like that which helped him get elected in the first place.

[rmt]

And so your voting to enrich the very folks that are already uber wealthy and just stash the cash helps the country?

See how this works...

Now the but, but, but... Rebuttals.

This perfectly illustrates my long response.

Because of my religious beliefs (Supreme Court) and conservative bend, I have no choice but to vote Republican. Sorry to break it to you, but Democrats also helped those uber wealthy stash the cash - just like the RINOs are for open borders because of their donors - both sides want illegal immigration - not for different reasons - the Repubs for their donors and the Dems for votes and their donors too.

[pgardn]

The economy is improving - that's why - in the end, the average American is only concerned with how it affects them personally (meaning their pocket book). And I don't think Trump fits the characteristics of a politician - he's way too politically incorrect for that - a politician would never say the things he does and would have bowed to party/donor pressure long ago.

The economy was improving before Trump and on its way. Unemployment was already moving quickly down. The disparity in wealth was increasing and continues to do so. The stock market has made huge gains... This means all is well. Not.

As for what a politician is in my view, see my other response.

[AaronY]

Cruz and Trump would have been too.

Yep.

[sickdsm]

So if I don't like Trump I must love Hillary. The same Hillary that was beautifully exposed thru the rancid Clinton foundation, sure thing. Good Trumpeteer response.

Trump is playing a huge political game promising jobs to the disaffected white voters (oh coal is a booming industry) while at the same time playing tax games enriching his basic circle, the rich getting richer. All at the expense of a huge deficit which he has now persuaded the deficit hawks to re state the trickle down theories that have no merit.

And so he's NOT a politician. That's so cute.

Because I said you have an at ude like Hillary did, you assume I said you love her?


Didn't vote Trump. May go third party but more than likely will vote for a pushback if DFL continue to trot out that same tired at ude (and candidates) that you do. I do not believe that I am in the minority of third party voters.

[sickdsm]

The economy was improving before Trump and on its way. Unemployment was already moving quickly down. The disparity in wealth was increasing and continues to do so. The stock market has made huge gains... This means all is well. Not.

As for what a politician is in my view, see my other response.

I've been on Township board for about 6 years now. Am I considered a politician by your standards?

[pgardn]

Because of my religious beliefs (Supreme Court) and conservative bend, I have no choice but to vote Republican. Sorry to break it to you, but Democrats also helped those uber wealthy stash the cash - just like the RINOs are for open borders because of their donors - both sides want illegal immigration - not for different reasons - the Repubs for their donors and the Dems for votes and their donors too.

There is a significant portion of Republicans that think the ONLY reason they don't crush it in elections is hanging on to that "silly" social issue.

But you are indeed correct. Now that you must be a one issue voter, you are much more likely to want a Republican. I suppose God will not judge the women that has an abortion, we will pre empt the problem on this end thru government.

[Reck]

Because I said you have an at ude like Hillary did, you assume I said you love her?


Didn't vote Trump. May go third party but more than likely will vote for a pushback if DFL continue to trot out that same tired at ude (and candidates) that you do. I do not believe that I am in the minority of third party voters.

Every Trump voter say they didn't vote for him. What a conundrum.

[rmt]

So if I don't like Trump I must love Hillary. The same Hillary that was beautifully exposed thru the rancid Clinton foundation, sure thing. Good Trumpeteer response.

Trump is playing a huge political game promising jobs to the disaffected white voters (oh coal is a booming industry) while at the same time playing tax games enriching his basic circle, the rich getting richer. All at the expense of a huge deficit which he has now persuaded the deficit hawks to re state the trickle down theories that have no merit.

And so he's NOT a politician. That's so cute.

Enriching his friends? Who would go through all that - spending a lot of time, energy and money to enrich his friends? Do you think that Trump has helped or hurt his brand by going into politics? I think he has severely hurt his brand, his name, his reputation, his family's security, etc.

[pgardn]

I've been on Township board for about 6 years now. Am I considered a politician by your standards?

I have no idea. Do you make judgments on issues based on being re elected?

[pgardn]

Enriching his friends? Who would go through all that - spending a lot of time, energy and money to enrich his friends? Do you think that Trump has helped or hurt his brand by going into politics? I think he has severely hurt his brand, his name, his reputation, his family's security, etc.

Not his friends. His socioeconomic group that he was born into and understands by far the best. His life has been important in his decision making, imagine that...

[Trainwreck2100]

Every Trump voter say they didn't vote for him. What a conundrum.

i'd imagine a few conservatives didn't vote trump but actually had the for ude to wait n line and write-in, you can tell the true trump vote as the guy who plays the "what about hillary" card.

[pgardn]

Because I said you have an at ude like Hillary did, you assume I said you love her?


Didn't vote Trump. May go third party but more than likely will vote for a pushback if DFL continue to trot out that same tired at ude (and candidates) that you do. I do not believe that I am in the minority of third party voters.

I held my crushed my nostrils very tightly and pushed Hillary.

It was the worst I ever felt about a vote. It did not matter, I knew it would not matter in Texas. I voted against someone essentially and it was awful. But now... Yeah, I pretty much feel vindicated in voting against Trump. After he got elected I went through the maybe this and maybe that stage... all in vain.