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Same for Oprah. Power is alluring.
MO ain't smart enough; and her pre-WH history is not good history. She'd crack on the campaign trail.
Same for Oprah. Power is alluring.
She's a graduate of Princeton and Harvard Law
She's smart enough
Not adept enough. Not quick on her feet whatsoever. It's one thing the white guilt liberals coddling her. It's another thing having to know her on the fly.
She's smart enough
No you are not getting me.
The above is the first bifurcation.
If I'm wrong, just tell me you will vote for a pro abortion ( use your criteria of when a life begins) candidate over a pro life candidate. And that will separate you from what I see from my Christian friends.
Simples.
Last edited by pgardn; 01-14-2018 at 04:45 PM.
You're right - I'm not getting you. How can I tell you if I will vote for a pro choice candidate over a pro life candidate when I don't know anything else about the candidates? I already told you that Roe v Wade is here is stay and I voted Trump (who might be pro-life or pro-choice) over someone like Cruz who is your typical Christian conservative and definitely pro-life. At this point, I am not interested in overturning Roe v Wade and Trump suits my goals/aims for the country more than Cruz.
You don't get it.
Set for life has to be a $ thing.
Thats really damn simplistic.
Michael Jackson was set for life monetarily.
And you are a Christian? So you can never be set for life spiritually unless you have enough money? Or there is a difference? Besides the obvious power thing, there are people in government who don't need money and just serve. The cynics on this board are not gonna buy it with the Darwinian selfish thingy they think makes sense. Pence is actually one of those guys IMO. He really believes he needs to serve. But the power thing weighs on him as well. He has admitted as much.
I disagree with you about Pence. If you see his hemming and hawing, when he endorsed Cruz at the same time sucking up to Trump (iirc Trump was leading) - iow, angling to be VP - hitching on to Trump's coat tails - it's the only way he'd ever get close to the WH (saying all this, I do admire the man personally regarding his policy to never be alone with another non-family female other than his wife [following in the steps of Billy Graham] - that's one lucky wife to be honored like that). Never heard an endorsement like this before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EILRZjXoxE
I already said a long time ago that I'm not going to discuss (my) religion on this board.
You said it.
You are different from the typical voter I have met on this issue.
A. pro choice... conservative on financial policy and every other issue you deem important
v.
B. Pro life.... Liberal on financial policy and every other issue you deem important
You vote A.
Oh I never saw that as you were discussing religion on this board. (musta been way back. I just assumed you were Christian)
My fault.
You seem to think that I can't separate my personal beliefs and what I would do in my life with who I choose as President. I've have made it very clear - I am much closer in my personal life to Cruz/Pence than to Trump but he was the one who could possibly change the direction we were going in. Cruz, Pence or any one like them are too dependent on donor money, Republican party and their Christian principles to do the job. Trump doesn't care about any of those things.
I am Christian - evangelical Christian - just like Cruz and Pence. I just don't want to open myself up to the inevitable attacks on this board that will come in any discussion on that subject.
She can learn the canned answers just like Hillary did, with help from CNN.
Yes.
Exactly.
Which is why I proposed you would vote for A based on the post I quoted. You apparently agree so end of my question
I took out this last election to make it clearer what I was asking. I was way past the Trump discussion, which is not even relevant to me in understanding your stance, clearly because Hillary is pro choice. If Hillary was clearly pro life, it still would have been Trump for you because he strikes you as conservative much more than Hillary.
Perhaps so.
Well that in itself put you in a bind on this board.
I personally have zero problems with it.
And Pence was an ardent Catholic, not into evangelism.
Even further, an analysis from a more liberal magazine. I see it as basically accurate having you tubed some of his church speeches and listened to his language concerning their relationship.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-pence/546569/
Pence was raised in a Catholic family and a Democrat growing up - born again, evangelical Christian and Republican in college.
If Bernie wins he'd never get any of his agenda through other than judicial picks. Obama barely got his healthcare plan through while swinging significantly right for the votes of Lieberman and Nelson, and Bernie getting dealt a better hand on the senate and house than Obama did is extremely unlikely.
And IMO he wants to be president and have the country reflect a much more Christian model.
Agreed. People who want Trump impeached should be careful of what they wish for - Pence would try to bring his religious beliefs/convictions into policy. Trump won't - religion probably isn't important to him. Question is what do the Dems want more: a soft-spoken, well-mannered, smooth religious politician or a brash, bad-mannered secular businessman?
No attack, but I’m curious what you think about that First Amendment thingy?
Will never get answered. Never
Trump is already pandering to the evangelicals. What exactly would Pence do extra that Trump wouldn't?
I fixed it.
I don't know.
It’s hard to imagine Pence getting whatever agenda he’d want to push considering the massive rebuke impeachment would be.
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