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I think this has already been posted. Imho, Manu and Timmy should have been co-MVP's.
Interesting video, i didn't see posted before.
The guy gives many reasons for Manu to MVP in 2005.
Not disrespect to the greatest player of the franchise (Duncan), but i think that Manu was a force in 2005.
Discuss.
I think this has already been posted. Imho, Manu and Timmy should have been co-MVP's.
i remember feeling certain that he would win mvp. timmy choking down the stretch in game 5 probably shoulda cost him imho
07 was such a blowout series that the F-MVP award didn't feel as impactful
Duncan would have been mvp in 2013 if they were able to close that one out. woulda been an amazing accomplishment at that age
manu had great advanced stats that series. WAY better than kobe’s the year before when he faced pretty much the same roster.
Argentinian fans :smdh
Both have arguments. People forget when Duncan came up big against Detroit in the 3/4 quarters of game 7. Manu was a stud too. That was back when Pop cared about basketball and not politics.
He almost did. 1 vote shy of a tie.
Manu in 05 was on the same level as Kobe. Maybe better, THAT year. He was incredible.
That’s a little overboard. But Manu was great.
Nah it's not, in a playoff run where Tim was hobbled & Tony was inconsistent at best...Manu was that great. Go watch all the Game 5s that playoff run and Game 7 vs Det.
Manu was great, but he never reached Kobe great. But that’s not a knock on Manu. In his own way, he is a legend.
Here are Manu's '05 advanced stats vs Kobe's best playoffs run ('09):
Manu - TS%: .652 - WS/48: .260 - OBPM: 7.2 - DBPM: 1.5 - BPM: 8.7 - VORP: 2.1
Kobe - TS%: .564 - WS/48: .238 - OBPM: 6.8 - DBPM: 0.6 - BPM: 7.5 - VORP: 2.2
Manu's are actually better.
Kobe was a much better player. Only Argentina fans will disagree. But the fact that Kobe was better doesn’t mean Manu wasn’t great. He was just a level below Kobe. That’s no shame. Kobe is underrated as an all time great.
Nobody is saying Kobe wasn't a better player than Manu. I'm just providing stats that support MaNu4Tres's comment about that '05 Manu run being on par with any Kobe run.
I don't know why are you even implying that anybody dared to say Manu > or = Kobe.
I know I've argued for this on other threads, tbh. What I recall being my main reason for the case is Manu #'s vs. TD #'s in Spurs wins. There was a definite chasm IIRC.
I think one poster (whom I don't recall) nailed it: Stern wasn't going to let Manu win after he embarrassed USA basketball in 2004.
Bro, you said some BS, and you got called out. Don't double down on stupid.
From the Video: Kobe Jordan and Michael Bryant second to last and last (48 and 49) in FMVP FG% (96 - .415 10 - .405).
argentinian fans
I'll never forget Tim missing a putback at the buzzer '05 Game5, resulting in OT, and Horry bailing out Tim and the Spurs.
Very similar to the putback Tim missed in '13 Game7. (then slapping the floor), and costing Spurs the le.
you're right ..i love manu but Kobe >>>
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People that don’t acknowledge Kobe’s greatness don’t know anything about basketball. Sure he was selfish and obsessed with being 23, but I have been a Spurs fan since the late 80s as a kid, and no player in the NBA was I more afraid of with the Spurs up by 20 than Kobe. He was the real deal and if he hadn’t been a Laker, he’d have gotten more respect on this site.
You're missing the point.
THE POINT was that Manu's 2005 post-season run was as great or better than any of Kobe's. The numbers prove that. Anyone who saw those games, with Manu going bananas against the Nuggets, the Sonics, Nash's Suns, and Detroit could come to the same understanding. Kobe really struggled with those Pistons - Manu tore them up.
So yes, no one is arguing against the opinion that Kobe's career is "grander" than Manu's. But that one run by Manu is rather legendary.
Ahh.. good comprehension is refreshing to see in 2018.
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