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Yeah. And the ATT's frozen margaritas are getting skimpier by the game, amirite
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Sadly, it is. They're a top team in the west without a full roster. Goes to show how bad nba talent is. Just look at the big baller brand. The two younger brothers, top college prospects, cant even score in a f league overseas... all they can do is score, supposedly. Best basketball players not in nba due to todays fan wanting dunks, carrying, and 1 garbage, while being fooled.by media
Yeah. And the ATT's frozen margaritas are getting skimpier by the game, amirite
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Does it really? Top 3 record in West without Kawhi. I'd say they made some smart decisions
Right, neither do I but if it appears inevitable that there's no shot at a le or things are really going south, I'm ok with failure because it typically points to a problem and let's the FO know that something needs changed!!!!
I hope Manu plays til 50 tbh
A lot of talking but silence when you actually call them out.Right on daboom! I sure am hearing a lot of crickets!
A lot of talking but silence when you actually call them out.
Love you bud. But I disagree. They do well in regular season with any group because of sheer discipline and execution on both ends. They can close their eyes and win 50 games because of how many dumb players and teams there are, too full of themselves to listen to instruction 100% of the time from their coaches. Regular season 3rd place ribbons aren't the objective and not too impressive. Its not a hard feet if discipline & execution are cemented in the foundation of the team -- which it has been for nearly 21 years.
The objective should be to win les and in order to do that against the Warriors, they have to at least try to make adjustments in personnel & philosophy, instead of shrugging shoulders re- signing players who only have value in the lockeroom (Patty Mills). It's like Pop is content because there's more to life since basketball is " just a game, you win or lose and go home" to quote him. He rather be happy re signing his guys and taking care of them, than doing whatever it takes to give his team the best chance to beat GS.
There's posters, smart posters on this board, who are more passionate than he is about beating the Warriors and winning another championship.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 01-15-2018 at 10:00 PM.
I get it. I really do. But things don’t happen in a vacuum and cir stance (and the benefit of hindsight) played a huge role all things considered.
SA had the same strategy last year (going big when everyone else went small) and they beat the run and gun Rockets and got all the way to the WCF. Winning les is the goal obviously but they did a damn good job with an unpopular strategy and won a ton of games (not just the regular season variety either).
Beyond that, I dont think they were just content signing their old buddies. TP got injured really bad and Manu stringed them along with the retirement decision. Forbes/Murray, although we’ve seen them now, weren’t guarantees enough to blow things up.
With TP looking like his injury may end his career, Manu stringing SA along with retirement and the only players to fill the void being really unproven (even Murray today has zero offensive game), Mills became necessary. It sucks, especially now that Manu came back and looks great, TP came back early and Forbes/Murray look competent enough, but that was not what SA had the benefit of knowing when free agency came around.
They talked with Hill and smartly went a different way. They did everything they could to get Kyrie. Then they went for Rudy Gay and got him. They tried the best they could and got really unlucky with Manu/TP situation and being forced into signing Mills.
This was not some case of them not caring/trying but with salary cap contraints, bad luck (Manu/TP timing) and cir stance they did about as much as you could hope for IMO.
We know it’s not enough and it looks bad now because Kawhi can’t get healthy and Danny/Rudy have been in and out. But I think it’s really revisionist history and frustration vs truly evaluating the Spurs strategy. The strategy has been very solid and so have the results.
Did you turn into a pornstar bro? You going in.
The worry is that you get caught up in that ty middle where you're good enough to make the playoffs, but realistically are 1st or 2nd round fodder, even if other teams suffer injuries/suspensions.
I don't know the Spurs are there right now, but they're certainly close. The question then is where you go from there? Can the Spurs afford tanking? How long? Can they move some pieces to lift them up? What pieces?
There's no easy answers, tbh
Especially when the team cannot be properly evaluated due to injury. They have same WCF team as last year but added Rudy Gay and got improvements from Murray/Forbes/Kyle and a better Pau/Manu too.
As much as I advocate tanking and want them to tank and regroup like the Sixers did, I don’t think it’s possible. Look at the AT&T Center. It’s basically empty even when the Spurs were first in the league. Could you imagine how dead it would be if they were last? Would be just like Stars games, with the same result. They’d relocate to Seattle or Vegas to keep it profitable.
I agree overall to your previous post but I guess a lot of my criticism is stemmed from how they decided to bring Patty back for 4 years for 50 million when they had other short term & cheaper options that would have allowed them to: A) bring stability to the back court at least to bridge them over a year until the smoke cleared regarding TP/ Murray/ Forbes/ White.B) Would have allowed them optimized their financial resources & flexibility for better options to add to Kawhi in the upcoming offseasons.
That decision seemed like a complacency & emotional move to me more than anything else. If it was about the lockeroom & culture, they could have scratched that itch in other cheaper ways.
It definitely looks bad right now and maybe they should have known better but even today Murray/Forbes aren't playing well enough (even though they are playing better than Mills)
It looked bad 6 months ago tbh..
Look at all the PGs this past summer who only got 1+1 deals at best.
Even George Hill only got 2 guaranteed years.
I think Kyle, Davis and Bryn will end up with moderate deals and maybe even 1 and 1 deals too the way this market is looking, unless they go in some epic crusade in the playoffs and open some eyes around the league, which is unlikely bc they won't play enough or get enough shots to make that case. Bryn and Davis are offensive players who would need enough shots to really impress you with what they can do. Kyle's case isn't scoring in bunches, so he'd need sufficient playing time to impact a game in other ways and show you what he can do too.
To state his case JSimms needed a ton of injuries in the playoffs. He still got a moderate contract with 2 seasons guaranteed, the 3rd season is a minor guarantee.
Spurs panicked with Mills as you said, emotional signing... etc.
The Mills and Pau signings were bad signings from the begginning. People here called it since day one.
Even if Pau and Mills play well those signings are bad and will always be bad because we compromised our future cap flexibility with two players that are unplayable vs Golden State when it matters.
And it will be even worse after this season when Tony gets a contract similar to what Patty got.
The Mills deal was a double gut punch, because not only did they massively overpay and decrease potential cap space by 11-12 million in future summers, but it also blocked the best prospects the Spurs have -- who all happen to play the positions Patty plays ( shorter combo wing or guards who are best defending PGs, not bigger wings -- like Patty ). Murray & Forbes have shown they can be just as effective or more effective as Patty but they need injuries for them to get any minutes. Will it be like that another 2-4 years now?
Patty is making 1/11 the total team salary. The Spurs aren't compromising . Some Y2k here.
A lot of people here don't know what it takes to run a ing team.
You're not getting better value for that from any other player. Also part of the best 2 man unit for the Spurs.
You know you and Patty are my s son. But Forbes this season is providing what Mills can provide for 1/10 of the money. And if you combine Mills and Pau's salaries per year is enough to sign a star player, or at least two or three role players that are more useful against Golden State.You're not getting better value for that from any other player. Also part of the best 2 man unit for the Spurs.
Forbes hasn't proven for anything. You should know that.
Spurs aren't gonna hang their Championship Aspirations on forbes.
The Spurs had money to get their players when Pau haden't signed yet. They didn't find anything in the market.
People acting like the Spurs could magically find better fit players.
Patty is still underpaid and people still ing.
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