Start Murray right now

[DAF86]

Ya but they were drafted close to each other. I agree it doesn’t mean anything but Sabonis is/was considered the best prospect of the two.

I also on the flip side don’t think that Mills/TP being around still means SA didn’t expect a lot from Murray. I think they were disappointed he could not grab hold of the starting job.

At the start of this season Sabonis wasn't considered a better prospect than Murray. Of that I'm sure.

[SAGirl]

Malcolm Brogdon has regressed following a great rookie season, but it would have been interesting to see him playing for Pop and this system, rather than the worst coach in the NBA..

Brogdon was right there for the taking... but PATFO did fall in love with Murray.
RC even met with him personally predraft (interview at Lebron's agent's office bc he wasn't available for interviews at the draft combine.) They loved him... so what ya gonna do? Root for the kid.

It'd be awful if he doesn't develop. It's a late pick but they famously started this season (remember preseason?) hyping him up as a potential all star (remember that?)... so they have high hopes for him... I do believe he was involved in packages for Irving and others. No one bit. So we are all back where we started. They should have at least let him play as much summer ball as possible. He needed it for confidence shooting.

[tholdren]

Murray looked as good as anderson tonight. Garbage

[spursistan]

Having a 21% usage rate with a 46% TS is unacceptable in today's league, tbh..I'd like to see Parker benched as much as anybody, but it isn't going to happen, barring injury..especially not in favor of Dejounte Murray

I understand homerism among sports fans, but his potential is so overrated here..there were posters calling him untouchable, last year many posters criticized the front office for not acquiring Paul George or Jimmy Butler with their gold prospect in Murray, claiming he was a better piece than Victor Oladipo(when in reality, Sabonis as a standalone is a much better prospect than Murray) and Kris Dunn/Lavine..I used to like Murray's potential, as well, but that was in limited minutes..the more you watch him, the worse he looks..

Malcolm Brogdon has regressed following a great rookie season, but it would have been interesting to see him playing for Pop and this system, rather than the worst coach in the NBA..

Welcome back bro..Glad you didn't go the way of TIMMYtoZO as the rumor had it ..Hope everything is treating you well.. ..

Yeah I agree with you on Murray..Any (All)star projections for him should probably be out of the window by now. His offensive inep ude seems to be beyond salvation..Should have tried to sucker the Suns into a Bledose deal that involved him....

[HarlemHeat37]

Brogdon was right there for the taking... but PATFO did fall in love with Murray.
RC even met with him personally predraft (interview at Lebron's agent's office bc he wasn't available for interviews at the draft combine.) They loved him... so what ya gonna do? Root for the kid.

It'd be awful if he doesn't develop. It's a late pick but they famously started this season (remember preseason?) hyping him up as a potential all star (remember that?)... so they have high hopes for him... I do believe he was involved in packages for Irving and others. No one bit. So we are all back where we started. They should have at least let him play as much summer ball as possible. He needed it for confidence shooting.

Of course I still cheer for Murray, I'm just disappointed that he hasn't shown any growth from last season..not only did he not make any progress towards pushing TP, but Pop even favors Forbes over him, for the most part..

I think he can still contribute as a situation defensive player, this season, but defense-first PGs can be easily limited in today's NBA(unless they can shoot from 3, like a Pat Beverley or be a great floor general like Lonzo)..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Need to get Murray starter's minutes. Season is done anyway, might as well see if Murray is worth keeping around for the rebuild.

We might have the most spoiled fans in bball. 5th best record in the league, season still not started yet in my mind.

[tholdren]

Of course I still cheer for Murray, I'm just disappointed that he hasn't shown any growth from last season..not only did he not make any progress towards pushing TP, but Pop even favors Forbes over him, for the most part..

I think he can still contribute as a situation defensive player, this season, but defense-first PGs can be easily limited in today's NBA(unless they can shoot from 3, like a Pat Beverley or be a great floor general like Lonzo)..

Wut? Lol great floor general. Lol

[KDKSpurs24]

Malcolm Brogdon has regressed following a great rookie season, but it would have been interesting to see him playing for Pop and this system, rather than the worst coach in the NBA..

Brogdon didn’t really regress, in my opinion. He was killing it at the start, averaging over 16ppg and playing well then the Bucks decided to get Bledsoe and bench him and I think that really threw him off. They just recently moved him in the starting lineup at the 2 guard. I think it’s just hard for him to find a rhythm with the change right now.

[SAGirl]

Can't really tell. All I know is that RC, Pop and even some teammates like Manu hyped Murray like they didn't hype anybody else on the history of the club. Not even Kawhi. I remember Hill was very talked about back in the days but never to the point where Murray got.

Well maybe Pop has lost his marbles.

I am being sarcastic obviously... but do you remember Bryn "Curry" Forbes... as in he's a knock off Steph Curry.. not Seth but Steph...

I think Pop does it to establish confidence in these guys bc he needs them. There is no other way around them. He needs these guys to play well more than he has needed any young guy b4 since Kawhi, and Danny... there's too many injuries, too many old veterans who need rest. He's got to boost their confidence, and sell some tickets.

it's a business after all... or you know... there are new planets discovered each year.. or something.

[SAGirl]

Of course I still cheer for Murray, I'm just disappointed that he hasn't shown any growth from last season..not only did he not make any progress towards pushing TP, but Pop even favors Forbes over him, for the most part..

I think he can still contribute as a situation defensive player, this season, but defense-first PGs can be easily limited in today's NBA(unless they can shoot from 3, like a Pat Beverley or be a great floor general like Lonzo)..

Absolutely on the favoring of Forbes, has played the most minutes of the two, and that was even after Murray started the first few games and got first dibs at both a starting job and not only that, but a spot that was clearly available and open... since at the beginning they didn't even expect TP until late January or February (remember that too). Forbes didn't even really pick up regular minutes until early December when Kyle got hurt. From there on, he's played a lot, there are games where he has played the most of any other player not named Lamarcus. i think it reflects how starved for scoring they are from their guards.

It's majorly disappointing. We have chatted about here precisely about his lack of shooting to the point where he's not even taking up any jumpshots and just sometimes attempting one handed floaters from all the way out to the foul line. If he doesn't develop some offensive game he will indeed not fare that well long term for the team, since they need offense from their backcourt. It's one of the biggest needs they have (aside from healthy Kawhi obviously).

[Chinook]

It's not just his shooting. Murray's really just not a good player right now. He can't dribble in practice, can't finish, can't defend without fouling. He's an ambitious and willing play-maker with just enough talent there to make it work often enough. He's a hard-nosed rebounder at a time when the team apparently can't board well. He's a tall, rangy guy who can look pretty good when he happens to not get a whistle. The best thing about him is that he seems to be absorbing teaching methods, so when he eventually does get it, he should be a solid, fundamental player.

[Dex]

It's not just his shooting. Murray's really just not a good player right now. He can't dribble in practice, can't finish, can't defend without fouling. He's an ambitious and willing play-maker with just enough talent there to make it work often enough. He's a hard-nosed rebounder at a time when the team apparently can't board well. He's a tall, rangy guy who can look pretty good when he happens to not get a whistle. The best thing about him is that he seems to be absorbing teaching methods, so when he eventually does get it, he should be a solid, fundamental player.

I still don't get this narrative.

What did Murray improve in the offseason?

He still can't dribble. He still can't shoot. He still isn't a good passer. The only offensive move he has that is reliable is his floater, which is the same as last season.

Yes, he seems to be learning the game with more playing time, but that is bound to happen, or you just aren't cut out for the NBA. He has had every chance this season to show us this supposed "improvement", and he is one Patty hot streak away from still being the third best PG on the team.

His athleticism, length, and tenacity give him the tools he needs to stay out on the floor, particularly on defense. But I am not at all impressed with his progress from last season...he's doing the same stuff he did last year in more time. He has a long ways to go to reaching this supposed ceiling.

[Hoops Czar]

I still don't get this narrative.

What did Murray improve in the offseason?

He still can't dribble. He still can't shoot. He still isn't a good passer. The only offensive move he has that is reliable is his floater, which is the same as last season.

Yes, he seems to be learning the game with more playing time, but that is bound to happen, or you just aren't cut out for the NBA. He has had every chance this season to show us this supposed "improvement", and he is one Patty hot streak away from still being the third best PG on the team.

His athleticism, length, and tenacity give him the tools he needs to stay out on the floor, particularly on defense. But I am not at all impressed with his progress from last season...he's doing the same stuff he did last year in more time. He has a long ways to go to reaching this supposed ceiling.

The narrative for Murray is and always has been that he was a project guard coming out of college, 3 to 4 years away from being a competent NBA caliber player. That hasn't changed. He had a few flash in the pan games his freshman season (ie. 10-10 fg vs Cleveland) and all of a sudden, the armchair generals in this forum wanted him as Parker's instant replacement. I wonder where all the hype surrounding this kid is coming from?

Most 1st and 2nd year players play Summer League ball in the offseason to help prepare for the season. Murray was sent home for reasons unknown. He belongs in the G-league developing like most unpolished, raw talent but since the Spurs need to rest their roster and micromanage each player's workload, they need extra guards to fill in for Parker and Ginobili as well as managing the minutes of Forbes and Mills. Incremental improvements are possible during the season but dramatic improvements are made in the off-season and the highly touted PATFO wanted nothing to do with him.

[ElNono]

He does looks way better than Fathead did in his 2nd season, tbh

[spursistan]

The narrative for Murray is and always has been that he was a project guard coming out of college, 3 to 4 years away from being a competent NBA caliber player. That hasn't changed. He had a few flash in the pan games his freshman season (ie. 10-10 fg vs Cleveland) and all of a sudden, the armchair generals in this forum wanted him as Parker's instant replacement. I wonder where all the hype surrounding this kid is coming from?

Most 1st and 2nd year players play Summer League ball in the offseason to help prepare for the season. Murray was sent home for reasons unknown. He belongs in the G-league developing like most unpolished, raw talent but since the Spurs need to rest their roster and micromanage each player's workload, they need extra guards to fill in for Parker and Ginobili as well as managing the minutes of Forbes and Mills. Incremental improvements are possible during the season but dramatic improvements are made in the off-season and the highly touted PATFO wanted nothing to do with him.

I think he was taken out of action because he was part of the package that would have landed Kyrie. they didn't want to further torpedo his value as he was looking abysmal in SL by the the time the trade rumors started to swirl.

As for improvements he sure does seem to be too much of a talker than a walker judging by his look-at-me-I'm-hard-at-work Instagram timeline.

Just gotta show more patience with him as the point guard is the most difficult position to master in this league. I wouldn't throw him for a pu-pu platter, but I would definitely move him for second tier PGs like Kemba Walker if the opportunity presents itself..

[SAGirl]

He does looks way better than Fathead did in his 2nd season, tbh

Maybe he looks that way but his stats don’t support it.

That’s a pretty low bar too, considering you hate him. No one was saying Kyle was going to be an all star, certainly not Manu or the coaching staff... Murray is right now far from that target but has time. This season though he is probably what he is.

[LittleCriminal]

I don't think elnono hates you Kyle Anderson aka SaGirl.
we just hoped you not suck at basketball being in ur 4th year as a spur.

[spurs10]

Is Murray old enough to buy a beer?

[SAGirl]

I think he was taken out of action because he was part of the package that would have landed Kyrie. they didn't want to further torpedo his value as he was looking abysmal in SL by the the time the trade rumors started to swirl.

As for improvements he sure does seem to be too much of a talker than a walker judging by his look-at-me-I'm-hard-at-work Instagram timeline.

Just gotta show more patience with him as the point guard is the most difficult position to master in this league. I wouldn't throw him for a pu-pu platter, but I would definitely move him for second tier PGs like Kemba Walker if the opportunity presents itself..

I thought the same thing, even at the time, without knowing how aggressive the Spurs were trying to trade for Kyrie. Short of Kawhi I think everyone else was offered and Murray was their best young prospec, having had a few regular season games but not really exposed. Murray was Indeed torpedoing his value as well as risking injury in summer league.

Anyways, He’s still very young and has time to improve (unless he’s traded in which case he’s need to do that anyways for his career but elsewhere). For this season though, you can dig up old posts from me where I really wanted him to hold on to that starting spot. Still would like him to but he’s obviously not that guy this year.

edut: I also don’t trust Tony to stay healthy so... IMO Murray will play a lot ready or not anyways.

[SAGirl]

Is Murray old enough to buy a beer?

He’s 21 and by next season will be 22, very young but probably should be making some progress offensively by next season b4 it gets late.

I think the Spurs could still play him even if he never improves offensively as a kind of energy player defender but that is so far from what his “potential” was advertised. Think if he was elite around the basket his lack of shooting wouldn’t matter.

[LittleCriminal]

lol worried Murray's offense being late when ur offense and defense is still missing after 4 years..

[tholdren]

The narrative for Murray is and always has been that he was a project guard coming out of college, 3 to 4 years away from being a competent NBA caliber player. That hasn't changed. He had a few flash in the pan games his freshman season (ie. 10-10 fg vs Cleveland) and all of a sudden, the armchair generals in this forum wanted him as Parker's instant replacement. I wonder where all the hype surrounding this kid is coming from?

Most 1st and 2nd year players play Summer League ball in the offseason to help prepare for the season. Murray was sent home for reasons unknown. He belongs in the G-league developing like most unpolished, raw talent but since the Spurs need to rest their roster and micromanage each player's workload, they need extra guards to fill in for Parker and Ginobili as well as managing the minutes of Forbes and Mills. Incremental improvements are possible during the season but dramatic improvements are made in the off-season and the highly touted PATFO wanted nothing to do with him.

What talent? You can literally take any college jr and put him on the spurs in place of murray and you would get better results. How can pg be your position when you cant pass or dribble? Sure you give him minutes he will get better. So will anyone. He is a prime example of how the nba isnt about skill

[Chinook]

I still don't get this narrative.

What did Murray improve in the offseason?

He still can't dribble. He still can't shoot. He still isn't a good passer. The only offensive move he has that is reliable is his floater, which is the same as last season.

Yes, he seems to be learning the game with more playing time, but that is bound to happen, or you just aren't cut out for the NBA. He has had every chance this season to show us this supposed "improvement", and he is one Patty hot streak away from still being the third best PG on the team.

His athleticism, length, and tenacity give him the tools he needs to stay out on the floor, particularly on defense. But I am not at all impressed with his progress from last season...he's doing the same stuff he did last year in more time. He has a long ways to go to reaching this supposed ceiling.

I do think his passing is better than it was last year. Besides entry passes (which are hard because he can't shoot), he's been more accurate. Dude's having passing-related TOs at about half the rate he was last year. Also, his defense is getting better. I stand by my statement that he's not good yet. But he's learning to play a purer type of D that guys like Kawhi and Danny never had to, since they were good defenders from Day One. Sean commented on how well Murray went around screens. That's long been a sore spot for Spurs players.

I don't know where I posted it, but I didn't think developing skills was supposed to be Murray's goal this season. I wanted him to develop his body instead. By and large, I think he did that. I don't mind his current bit-player role either. I didn't think he was supposed to be a starting-caliber player yet. But he can come off the bench and do some things, especially sandwiched between an experienced play-maker and a floor-spacer.

[Brazil]

He does looks way better than Fathead did in his 2nd season, tbh

not that a big achievement tbh...

[daledondale]

not that a big achievement tbh...

Funny and sad.