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    Deficit will exist regardless. Rather see some of it benefit working Americans instead of nanny lifetime dependant types.
    you mean like the military?

    IMO, it's a fairly safe bet that the $100+ billion they skirted in taxes would've helped/affected more than the 20,000 people that will benefit from this $350b investment.

    Heck, economically speaking, taxing is one of the main avenues to redistribute wealth.

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    you mean like the military?

    IMO, it's a fairly safe bet that the $100+ billion they skirted in taxes would've helped/affected more than the 20,000 people that will benefit from this $350b investment.

    Heck, economically speaking, taxing is one of the main avenues to redistribute wealth.
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    Apple aint gonna invest $350B

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    $38B = 15%

    would have been about $100B in taxes at 39%. So the oligarchy, with Apple alone, just stole $60B from US.

    Next up, BigPharma drug traffickers to repeat their scam the Repugs gave them in 2004. Repatriate $10Bs at 5%, then fire 10Ks employees
    Why do you and ElNono choose to think that the government would ever have gotten those taxes? Do you think that Apple is stupid - that's what they'd have to be to bring back that money for a 39?% hit. That 39% was law and companies chose to stash trillions abroad. Now 15% is law and we'll see which other companies follow suit. I think $38billion is a good sight better than $0 - which it would have continued to be forever at that 39% rate.
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    And those 20000 workers will be paying federal taxes, creating demand (more jobs), spending money (state taxes), etc. and if coming off unemployment/welfare - using less government aid.

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    And those 20000 workers will be paying federal taxes, creating demand (more jobs), spending money (state taxes), etc. and if coming off unemployment/welfare - using less government aid.
    who are you kidding? Those are data center jobs, not menial work. You can't seriously be this naive.

    You still seem oblivious that the government is us. You and me.

    You take 1/10th of the $100b they skirted *US* (you and me), put it on an infrastructure project, you employ just the same amount of people, benefit way more than 20000 people and you still have $90b to spare.

    The argument that they wouldn't bring the money over is ridiculous, and nonsense. The only reason they don't pay what they're due is lack of enforcement and closing of loopholes. None of which this administration did (nor the previous one).

    This is just another handout from the swamp to the well connected, too big to fail, while you and me are going to get audited to and back if we screw up a line on our tax return.

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    And it's not a matter of "choosing to think" or "alternative facts"... The fact is these companies are getting away with murder due to the complicity of DC and the tax code with well known loopholes that never get closed.

    That's a fact, and while that's there and we keep handing out these companies "tax holidays", we keep getting the short end of the stick.

    I really don't get at all the celebration over this, tbh...

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    you mean like the military?

    IMO, it's a fairly safe bet that the $100+ billion they skirted in taxes would've helped/affected more than the 20,000 people that will benefit from this $350b investment.

    Heck, economically speaking, taxing is one of the main avenues to redistribute wealth.
    The legless ones or the ones who came back in boxes?

    It would have helped more people. Mostly the Chinese.

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    who are you kidding? Those are data center jobs, not menial work. You can't seriously be this naive.

    You still seem oblivious that the government is us. You and me.

    You take 1/10th of the $100b they skirted *US* (you and me), put it on an infrastructure project, you employ just the same amount of people, benefit way more than 20000 people and you still have $90b to spare.

    The argument that they wouldn't bring the money over is ridiculous, and nonsense. The only reason they don't pay what they're due is lack of enforcement and closing of loopholes. None of which this administration did (nor the previous one).

    This is just another handout from the swamp to the well connected, too big to fail, while you and me are going to get audited to and back if we screw up a line on our tax return.
    We aren't the government just like we aren't the police. We can pretend we are but both have become en ies that are a tier above "we the people", in that they have become autonomous groups.

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    We aren't the government just like we aren't the police. We can pretend we are but both have become en ies that are a tier above "we the people", in that they have become autonomous groups.
    Then that's what we need to change, tbh... we can be happy when the "swamp has been drained" and all that is more than just rhetoric...

    IOW, celebrating that the rapist used a condom doesn't makes much sense, IMO...

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    The legless ones or the ones who came back in boxes?

    It would have helped more people. Mostly the Chinese.
    Either one works, those pensions ain't paying themselves... but that's from the angle of somebody that's allegedly worried about deficits.

    It's ok to hate taxes, but from an economic standpoint, some people need to understand that taxation is an integral part to any healthy economy.

    What's baffling is the government picking you as the loser, and celebrating it, tbh...

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    Getting a pension from 20+ years of near minimum wage salary for being away from your family for months on end isn't the same was being on government assistance through welfare anchor baby pyramid lifestyle. You might as well say the postman or perhaps the senator. Both get government pensions.

    We are 16 trillion or so in the hole. We'll be 30 trillion in a few years. None of that will be in my account. Whatever I can get out of the melee I will get. I can feel guilty while financially secure as easily as I can feel morally superior while broke.

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    Then that's what we need to change, tbh... we can be happy when the "swamp has been drained" and all that is more than just rhetoric...

    IOW, celebrating that the rapist used a condom doesn't makes much sense, IMO...
    Why not? The alternative is the rapist didn't use a condom. We're getting ed either way. If nothing else has been made clear in the past however many hundred years, that has.

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    Getting a pension from 20+ years of near minimum wage salary for being away from your family for months on end isn't the same was being on government assistance through welfare anchor baby pyramid lifestyle. You might as well say the postman or perhaps the senator. Both get government pensions.

    We are 16 trillion or so in the hole. We'll be 30 trillion in a few years. None of that will be in my account. Whatever I can get out of the melee I will get. I can feel guilty while financially secure as easily as I can feel morally superior while broke.
    Economically they're the same thing. They're all government expenses that largely get funded by either debt or tax revenue. You can prefer more money goes one way or the other, but that doesn't invalidate that the funds for all that comes from taxes or debt.

    So if you're forgiving taxation, you're automatically adding to the debt. I recall OP being extremely worried about the deficit and the debt and the future of our children, tbh, pretty ironic...

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    Why not? The alternative is the rapist didn't use a condom. We're getting ed either way. If nothing else has been made clear in the past however many hundred years, that has.
    You're still getting raped, that's why. This wasn't unavoidable. There were actions taken specifically so this would happen, and not only that, to ensure we keep getting raped without lube.

    There's nothing to celebrate about that, IMO.

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    lol DMC always acts like nothing has ever or will ever happen to him.

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    Economically they're the same thing. They're all government expenses that largely get funded by either debt or tax revenue. You can prefer more money goes one way or the other, but that doesn't invalidate that the funds for all that comes from taxes or debt.

    So if you're forgiving taxation, you're automatically adding to the debt. I recall OP being extremely worried about the deficit and the debt and the future of our children, tbh, pretty ironic...
    That's all bull . Very few understand the long term implications of our debt. I understand the short term implications of mine however.

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    lol DMC always acts like nothing has ever or will ever happen to him.
    Like you'll always be post count whoring under some bird alt? I'd bet on it.

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    You're still getting raped, that's why. This wasn't unavoidable. There were actions taken specifically so this would happen, and not only that, to ensure we keep getting raped without lube.

    There's nothing to celebrate about that, IMO.
    How is it unavoidable? What could I personally do to avoid it?

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    Like you'll always be post count whoring under some bird alt? I'd bet on it.
    I struck a nerve.

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    How is it unavoidable? What could I personally do to avoid it?
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    DMC a disciple Boutons’ ed and un able gospel
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    Why did no one here avoid it?

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    I struck a nerve.
    Seems to happen every time you get ethered.

    See if you can find the root cause.

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    Seems to happen every time you get ethered.
    tough guy ether

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