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    I don't know how PRISM was justified

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    read the actual case (i know it's hard). you don't have an expectation of privacy regarding your IP address (since this is shared with a third party, your service provider). that doesn't mean you lose an expectation of privacy just for being on the internet. they had to get a warrant before actually checking the content (the need for a warrant means there is an expectation of privacy)

    Here, the NIT was programmed to collect very limited information. Like the pen register in Smith that only captured the numbers dialed, 442 U.S. at 742, 99 S.Ct. 2577, the NIT only obtained identifying information; it did not cross the line between collecting addressing information and gathering the contents of any suspect's computer. Cf. Forrester, 512 F.3d at 510. Indeed, the Government obtained a traditional residential search warrant before searching the computer's contents in this case. Plus, Defendant lacked any expectation of privacy in the main piece of information the NIT allowed the FBI to gather — his IP address. E.g., Michaud, 2016 WL 337263, at *7. Additionally, while the Government could have deployed the NIT as soon as a user logged into Playpen, SA Alfin testified that in this particular case, the FBI took the extra step of not deploying the NIT until after the suspect actually accessed child pornography. These facts support the conclusion that the NIT's deployment does not represent a prohibited search under the Fourth Amendment. Cf. Forrester, 512 F.3d at 511.
    Additionally, like the employee in Simons who was put on notice that his computer was not entirely private, 206 F.3d at 398, Defendant here should have been aware that by going on Tor to access Playpen, he diminished his expectation of privacy.


    https://www.leagle.com/decision/inadvfdco170425000208

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    I just looked at the thesis statement for the first link. You throw in criminal activity, that's throwing a wrench into it. Look up PRISM and how it was justified by the gov. and validated by judges. The gov was accessing loads of personal information in secret on the basis that internet info was not considered private.

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    I just looked at the thesis statement for the first link. You throw in criminal activity, that's throwing a wrench into it. Look up PRISM and how it was justified by the gov. and validated by judges. The gov was accessing loads of personal information in secret on the basis that internet info was not considered private.
    You're going to have to prove that.

    All you've said so far is you expected your TOR child porn searches to be private.

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    Your government has already said that there is no expectation of privacy for anything done online. <Pat on the back> Maybe, you'll get the next one.
    Info net companies keep on you (even if privacy reasonably assumed) is fair game for the corps to give to to the government.
    except for the bolded part, this statement is true. information that you willingly share with a 3rd party is fair game. so your IP address is fair game. if it is willingly shared as part of the terms of service or something, then there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, so a warrant wouldn't be needed.

    pro tip: any time a warrant is acquired, that means there was a reasonable expectation of privacy, just like the case you cited to (incorrectly)

    that's VERY different than the first post quoted above "anything done online"

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    I just looked at the thesis statement for the first link.
    and thats the problem. telephone game at work. the original source is always preferred. otherwise i can always quote to some blog of some guy just saying something he read about

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