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Government owned and subsidized conpanies arent free market, however I dont really give a one way or another about these tariffs. Find someone else to argue this one with chump.
Do you think these tariffs are good policy?
So you think canning 23,000 American jobs is great policy, and we shouldn't let the Chinese government subsidize our energy production.
That seems dumb.
Why do you hate the free market?
Government owned and subsidized conpanies arent free market, however I dont really give a one way or another about these tariffs. Find someone else to argue this one with chump.
Trash will kill more solar jobs than US solar mfrs will create behind the tariff
COAL
We gonna burn it.
Seriously?
Computers are way too big, they'll never work....In heard dat in my mother's womb. The old men who said that are dead now, I think.
I guess if you want to keep losing family wage jobs for cheaper imported goods...
Just remember, it is that at ude as for one reason America is crumbling.
To bad the others don't listen to reason.
Nah, 85% of manufacturing jobs have been lost to automation not outsourcing dodo https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-...5-95d1533d9a62
When it takes away jobs from us, it is an economic war.
You are stupid, you know that? Installing jobs are variable to begin with. This will benefit us in the long term. President Trump is doing what he can to restore family wage jobs in our country. This tariff will make it viable for US solar panel manufacturers to grow and hire more people.
Do you think anyone takes you serious at all?
its a free market
I am part of the automation industry. The difference with automation is the money stays here and build the economy in other ways. When we have the dangerous trade imbalance that we do with China, that money is lost to reinvestment here.
iPhone costs $600 instead of $2000 due to globalism https://www.marketplace.org/2014/05/...an-iphone-cost if you made them solely over here it would have provide a few thousand extra jobs and only over everyone who wants a cell phone by making the pay three times as much. And then imagine when you try to compete in the global market selling it in Europe versus people like Samsung and LG
How does paying $500 for a TV instead of $3000 benefit me though?!?!
You can raise tariffs to a trillion percent those 1950s manufacturing jobs are not coming back
Trump is going to meet a bunch of globalists. But I'm not sure.
Sonce certain conservatives on this forum are unable to even begin to define what a globalist is, who is he meeting with exactly?
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oh damn it WC?
What now...
I think in the case of the EU, It's a long game scenario. I'm not entirely on the tarrif bandwagon as it can spur unpredictable reprisals.
Your position that this will cost jobs is likely correct....at least short term. But that statement totally ignores the jobs already lost to the Chinese dumping government subsidized panels on the market and driving American manufacturers out of business.
By that definition any free-market economic activity that costs one job in the US is "war".
Are you against the free market? What are you going for here?
This tariff hurts installers a lot to mildly benefit manufacturers, who have automated most of their jobs. This won't save jobs in the long term either for the manufacturers.
Are the installers' jobs are less important than the manufacturers'?
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This will make energy more expensive in the United States. Are the consumers of electricity (which is everybody) less important than the manufacturers?
I know some of you will take issue with that bit. The average cost of electricity is determined by taking a weighted average of all energy types. Make any one type of energy more expensive, and you, by definition, make energy overall more expensive.
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This.
You have gotten to the core of basic international economics and comparative advantage. Economists have described this mathematically and can quantify the losses and gains.
It was one of the more interesting things in that course.
Your statements here run counter to free-market economics, again. You want the government to pick winners and losers, and in a way that provably makes us all worse off. Anyone with a basic grasp of economics understands why this is.
Socialism is great as long as it is Republicans doing it? Is that what you are going with here?
It's expensive as up front though, saves money later. CPS is ridiculously overpriced, unreliable, lots of random outages not related to weather, poor customer service, and it's stupid that there's no compe ion in SA like there is up here in DFW.
LG raising washing machine (and dryer?) prices because of tariff
Mnuchin wants a weaker US$ which would inflate prices for imported
Bet you didn't read the article.
Economist provides some context that Forbes couldn't be bothered with.
Samsung and LG, two South Korean washing-machine makers, are ramping up their American production. But their deals were hatched before Mr Trump came into office, spurred in part by the logic of making heavy machines close to customers.
The solar industry is a clearer case. It has about 260,000 workers, a mere 2,000 of whom were making solar cells and panels at the end of 2016. The government reckons that the fastest-growing occupation over the next ten years will be that of solar installer. The Solar Energy Industries Association, a body that is enraged by the new tariffs, reckons that the industry will support up to 23,000 fewer jobs because of them. Meanwhile, as if to underline the irony, the two companies that asked for protection are unlikely to be saved.https://www.economist.com/news/leade...penforbusinessThe last time this particular safeguard was applied was in 2002. It is especially belligerent. Past presidents remained wary of hurting American consumers, and mindful of international repercussions. Mr Trump, by contrast, seems to hold a steadfast belief that protectionism works. His rhetoric—and now his actions—invite aggrieved pe ioners to apply for help. The logic of his stance on trade is to use tariffs not sparingly, but repeatedly and aggressively. Mr Trump is now open for business, just not the healthy sort.
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