Would Jefferson Davis be a Democrat or Republican today?
i dont know what the alt left is
ive never demanded what white people should apologize
i dont think republicans should vacate their wins from the past, i just acknowledge that the landscape has changed.
you asked "what happened" and then yourself when somebody tried to answer
Would Bill Clinton be a Deomcrat today? Anti- marriage, 3 strikes, privatization of student loands and monopolizing student debt. Nope, and that's just a 20 year shift.
Bill Clinton is a Democrat today.
LOL, " ting myself" for stating an observation.
Alt Left is for the Boutons type loons that turned a lot of voters off to the Demo party. Seems like you're rattled moreso. And you didn't really answer anything.
great observation that political landscapes can change and that the meaning of what democrat now is not exactly the same as the meaning of democrat in the past (even as recently as 20 years ago)
but when somebody brings up that republicans in the 1860's aren't necessarily the same as the republicans today, you went and yourself
i said you yourself because we were having a conversation about how political landscapes have changed and then you immediately changed the subject to "the alt left thinks white people should apologize for the past"
LOL, true. Me stupid.
More like "would he be considered a Democrat during his Presidency" by today's Demos and their standards"?
fair point, was going for the socratic method and leaving bread crumbs. you asked what's changed... and i suggested that one of the better ways to see what has changed is to ask yourself and explore why the southern states, which had been a democrat stronghold for over a century, have shifted and have now become the most reliable voting block of the republican party
i mean, i can try to spit out an explanation for you, but i think its more effective this way
It was a segue comment that pertained to the platform shift. Still relevant, just think it's funny. But sure, myself.
aight. mea culpa
Again, how? Basically, you're stance is I myself because I'm stating the Left discounts what the Right did back then and shouldn't be credited and I stated I find that funny.
So, by that rhetoric, Bill Clinton should be shamed into oblivion for being a gay-hating, black-oppressing, debtor pimp?
If an entire region of the United States switched parties because of these issues, you might have a point.
If Republicans want to call Civil War scoreboard why do they want to keep the Democrat Civil War monuments?
Mucho appreciado.
i retract my "you yourself" comment.
i think that if he ran today with those same policies, he wouldn't get much support from the democrat base. i mean you're actually making a great observation of how political landscapes can change and how what a democrat did 20-25 years ago isn't necessarily aligned with what democrats would stand for today. now we can extend that same logic to say the republicans in the 1860's don't necessarily align with republicans today.
a big example would be the southern states which as i said, are the strongest republican voting bloc right now... but they were reliably democrat from pre-civil war times to roughly the 1960's
Chucho i posted this a while back tbh...
Throughout this election cycle, in addition to the tried and true Party of Lincn talking point, we've been hearing conservative pundits constantly refer to the democrats as the party who "opposed the civil rights act" or some variant of that "fact"...
but for the ST audience, lets go into the numbers...
If you go by political party, both parties largely supported the 1964 civil rights act
In the Senate: Democrats favored the bill 69% to 31%. Republicans favored the bill 82% to 18%
In the House: Democrats favored the bill 63% to 27%. Republicans favored the bill 80% to 20%
Now, just by looking at these percentages, we can put the "democrats opposed the civil rights act" point to rest. But I know what you're thinking... "hey look, the republicans were more strongly in favor of the civil rights act than democrats!" While true at face value, we can get a much better perspective by analyzing the voting patterns based on demographics other than strictly political party...
If we call the 11 confederate states "southern states" and all 39 other states as "northern" states, just for the sake of simplicity lets look at the North vs South voting records...
In the Senate:
Northern Democrats favored the bill 94% to 6%, whereas Northern Republicans favored the bill 84% to 16%.
Southern Democrats opposed the bill 5% to 95%, whereas the only southern republican opposed the bill.
In the House:
Northern Democrats favored the bill 94% to 6%, whereas Northern Republicans favored the bill 85% to 15%
Southern Democrats opposed the bill 7% to 93%, whereas Southern Republicans opposed the bill 0% to 100%
As you see, the great disparity when it comes to the civil rights act really shows its face when you isolate the confederate states vs the rest of the country. Hopefully we can put this talking point to rest, at least on this forum.
You made a comparison of Jefferson Davis being considered a Democrat by today's standards. I made a comparison of Bill Clinton being considered a Democrat by today's standards while he was POTUS.
Why is the point different? Platforms have changed drastically since Clinton was President, the entirety of Demos today would find his time in Office repugnant and not of their standards, so you can say there has been an entire platform change since then, as you do for Jefferson.
Now, the Civil war scoreboard...there's no point to be made there.
This is why I likes ya, and the re-post. Good man.
And Clinton changed with it.
Are you saying Jefferson Davis would've changed his platform RE: blacks and the confederacy?
Spoiler alert: he did not.
Of course there is -- just not one you'd want to face.Now, the Civil war scoreboard...there's no point to be made there.
to be fair i dont think he'd be accepted in either party today
One party sure accepts his statues today.
who cares? i could paint a van gogh in my sleep. that's not an exaggeration either. looking at van gogh's work is almost as fun as first friday calaveras everywhere down at the blue star. snoozefest!
You, obviously.
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