Trumps first job-killing tarriffs

[Pavlov]

That's killing the baby with the bathwater.

[RandomGuy]

That's killing the baby with the bathwater.

Pretty much. It will shrink the overall market for solar panels.

Personally, I am quite happy with the Chinese government subsidizing our electricity. If they want to centrally plan their economy and produce this stuff at a loss to sell to us, cheaper than we could make it, then we should be importing more, not less to take advantage of that.

[TeyshaBlue]

When they gain monopoly, I'm sure it'll all be love and kisses.

[Pavlov]

There's got to be a better way to prop up the domestic manufacturers for this period.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's got to be a better way to prop up the domestic manufacturers for this period.

We ought to go the Chinese route and subsidize the out of them.

[boutons_deux]

We ought to go the Chinese route and subsidize the out of them.

I read that the propping has stopped, the weak ones are gone, the best remain and are cleaning up

[RandomGuy]

solar is way too expensive anyway and always has been.

It's undeniable, except to maybe the uber left denialist lib s, that green and economical mix about as well as oil and water.

Solar is a technology, and always has been.

Technology gets better and cheaper, always has.

Solar has gotten cheaper for decades, and market forces will drive it lower still, through economies of scale, and learning curves.

It's undeniable, except to people who don't really understand how research and development works or economics.

Free markets, work that way, regardless of whether you understand it or not.

[RandomGuy]

When they gain monopoly, I'm sure it'll all be love and kisses.

Probably not.

The problem with a monopoly is that you only have pricing power if there are no alternatives. Energy is fungible.

There is also the fact that PV panels tend to have very long lives.

[RandomGuy]

There's got to be a better way to prop up the domestic manufacturers for this period.

Give them money directly, like the Chinese do. More targeted, and it wouldn't hurt consumers of energy.

[boutons_deux]

Has China been dumping, or simply ran out front, scaled up, to reduce costs?

China is a huge consumer of its own panels

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...forecasts-jump

[RandomGuy]

Has China been dumping, or simply ran out front, scaled up, to reduce costs?

China is a huge consumer of its own panels

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...forecasts-jump

That is a question for the WTO.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Solar is a technology, and always has been.

Technology gets better and cheaper, always has.

Solar has gotten cheaper for decades, and market forces will drive it lower still, through economies of scale, and learning curves.

It's undeniable, except to people who don't really understand how research and development works or economics.

Free markets, work that way, regardless of whether you understand it or not.

if it gets cheaper, buy it. Supply and demand. But don't drive prices up by forcing a technology on the people. Also tariffs are stupid so I agree with you there. Just keep my prices down as a consumer, that's all I care about.

[boutons_deux]

SunPower puts $20M U.S. factory expansion and hundreds of new jobs on hold, because of Trump Tariff

SunPower Corp (SPWR.O) on Thursday said it was putting a $20 million U.S. factory expansion and hundreds of new jobs on hold until and unless its solar panels receive an exclusion from federal tariffs the Trump administration imposed this week.
President Donald Trump's decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs,

but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.

"We have to stop the $20 million investment because the tariffs start before we know if we're excluded," Werner said.

"It's not hypothetical. These were positions that we were recruiting for that we are going to stop."

That investment would create "hundreds" of jobs at SunPower facilities in California and Texas, Werner said.

They would include jobs in research and development, manufacturing and sales and would be focused on the company's next-generation cell technology.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre

[boutons_deux]

Global Solar To Hit 106 Gigawatts Of New Installations In 2018



https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/29...eanTechnica%29

How countries PROGRESS when there is national energy policy instead of a national oligarchy enrichment policy

[SnakeBoy]

After Trump tariffs, Chinese solar company says it will build U.S. factory
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/30/news...inkId=47551553

[Th'Pusher]

After Trump tariffs, Chinese solar company says it will build U.S. factory
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/30/news...inkId=47551553

Hey snakeboy. Where have you been?

[SnakeBoy]

Hey snakeboy. Where have you been?

Busy. Let myself get talked into doing some contract work. Now I'm just a schmuck workin for the man like the rest of you.

[boutons_deux]

Forecast Shows How Trump Tariffs Will Hurt Solar Growth, State by State

California and Texas are hit hardest on a megawatt basis; Montana and Idaho face the steepest percentage declines.



https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...%29#gs.uiZqgm8

[RandomGuy]

Second round of tariffs are going to add to inflation.

Trump Will Approve Aluminum, Steel Tariffs Next Week

President plans to impose 25% duties on steel imports and 10% on aluminum, for a period not yet determined


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-w...efModule=nwsrl

[boutons_deux]

Solar panel CEO blames Trump tariff for layoffs

The company expects losses of up to $50m this year alone

http://www.independent.co.uk/sunpowe...-a8233866.html