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    great example!, talking about a sports market through a single event example .. i'm sure that's how statistics work in trampland but in reality you look at yearly market share. keep on spamming son, smh writing all that nonesense

    How else are you supposed to dial in unique viewership? I know you want to ulatively add up all the fan interest the MLS, EPL, La Liga, Liga MX, and International soccer receive here to arrive at an arbitrary number that looks impressive, but many of the fans crossover. It'd be like me adding up college and pro football's viewership. Here's the best gauge of American fan interest in the sport. MLS ratings and US Men team's national ratings in non-World Cup events (the World Cup is the great casual drawer, much like how millions tune in to watch Women's gymnastics during the Olympics, but barely follow it otherwise). You saw that a crucial World Cup qualifying match drew a pathetic 463,000, and was relegated to a fringe cable sports channel. MLS cup ratings. The latest from this December:

    Good morning. Early #MLSCup ratings info: 0.7 overnight, up +75% from ESPN’s 2015 broadcast and the highest-rated final on cable since 2012.


    Here's the kind of ratings the Finals in the MLB, NBA, NCAAF draw.

    The 18.8 is also the highest for any non-NFL sporting event this year, the second straight year baseball has taken top honors. Excluding both the NFL and the Olympic Games, it is the fourth-highest overnight for any sporting event in a decade — since the 2007 Florida-Ohio State college football national championship (19.1) — behind last year’s Game 7, Game 7 of the 2016 Cavaliers-Warriors NBA Finals (18.9) and the 2015 Ohio State-Oregon college football le game (18.9).
    Near 20s across the board, while the "growing" MLS final averages a ty 0.7 (about even with Women's golf majors ). And no, EPL, La Liga, et al don't fare much better.

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    son the entire planet has football as #1 because it's the best sport. It has nothing to do with cultural differences, just a superior product in all ways.
    The entire planet also has McDonald's as its favorite restaurant chain. Popularity is determined by advertising, accessibility, and timing (i.e. the British would've probably rather seen their national sport of cricket take hold throughout the world at the time, since it was the sport above all that symbolized "Britishness," but soccer was easier to sell to because of its simplicity and inexpensive barrier to entry, just like McDonald's is easier to sell over proper restaurant food).

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    Holy ... povertyball is less popular than "women's" "sports" in the only relevant country on Earth. And povertyball fans actually think their "sport" isn't complete trash?

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    Holy ... povertyball is less popular than "women's" "sports" in the only relevant country on Earth. And povertyball fans actually think their "sport" isn't complete trash?
    And it's just not women's golf that stomps the "fastest growing league and sport in America."

    ESPN's broadcast of (WNBA FINALS) Game 5 on Wednesday had a 0.8 market rating, which was double the 2016 Game 5, and like the series, was the best since 2003. The game peaked at a 1.1 rating from 10:45-11 p.m.
    The MLS Cup Final in December drew a 0.7

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    Baseball is going up as long as the Yankees are trending up.

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    Bukkakeball won't ever really be popular in the US until they win the world cup, which isn't going to happen because we consider soccer a hobby rather than a sport and all of our athletes join NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.
    This is a good point. Soccer is an activity that busybody moms sign their kids up for to get exercise, because it's cheap and easy to learn. I bet you none of those kids could name a single MLS player.

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    Soccer is not even close to surpassing basbeball in this country. In fact, baseball is easily the 2nd highest grossing sport in this country behind football. The MLS is trash and the rest of the country really doesn't care about following overseas teams. Let's see how many people in this country really watch the World Cup with no Team USA.
    MLS has grass roots excitement though. I believe FIFA has sabotaged USMNT in the past b/c they know that USMNT WC le would have quite possibly made MLS the preeminent league and supplanted European leagues as the dominant monetary force. But if we're talking strictly money or quality of play, MLS is akin to trash. I can't argue to vigorously for it. I think the two things it has going for it is newer facilities, which are getting filled and the potential redemption run coming for the 2022 World Cup.

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    Lol Soccer. Boring ass sport.

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    LOL.

    Of all the stupid I've read on ST this has to be near the top.

    Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey all will remain far more popular than doublehandjoball in the US. The average US citizen probably cant even name one MLS team, yet I'm supposed to believe that soon it will be the 3rd most popular sport

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    MLS has grass roots excitement though. I believe FIFA has sabotaged USMNT in the past b/c they know that USMNT WC le would have quite possibly made MLS the preeminent league and supplanted European leagues as the dominant monetary force. But if we're talking strictly money or quality of play, MLS is akin to trash. I can't argue to vigorously for it. I think the two things it has going for it is newer facilities, which are getting filled and the potential redemption run coming for the 2022 World Cup.
    The MLS was, is and always will be trash. It's the equivalent of that Chinese league your boy Jimmer is playing in.

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    LOL.

    Of all the stupid I've read on ST this has to be near the top.

    Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey all will remain far more popular than doublehandjoball in the US. The average US citizen probably cant even name one MLS team, yet I'm supposed to believe that soon it will be the 3rd most popular sport
    The Hail Mary play for soccer s who for some unknown pathological reason need to see soccer become a major sport here is hoping all the illegals and their offspring (that demographic could be 30ish million large right now) make it into a "major sport." It could happen, but it won't be the MLS that gets the boost, it will probably Liga MX, or possibly a Liga MX/MLS merger. Point is, soccer becoming relevant won't be due to any kind of organic growth of mainstream America suddenly loving the game. It will because the Latino immigrant niche is finally large enough to make it relevant.

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    LOL.

    Of all the stupid I've read on ST this has to be near the top.

    Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey all will remain far more popular than doublehandjoball in the US. The average US citizen probably cant even name one MLS team, yet I'm supposed to believe that soon it will be the 3rd most popular sport
    I know the Galaxy (b/c of Beckham) and the Red Bulls (b/c it gives you wings). And I'm a HUGE sports fan.

    Can name every single NFL and NBA team. If given enough time...i could name every MLB and NHL team too.

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    The MLS was, is and always will be trash. It's the equivalent of that Chinese league your boy Jimmer is playing in.
    MLS has already surpassed many leagues in quality. The trend is clear.

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    The Harris Poll (a more legit poll)
    well that's convenient

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    well that's convenient
    They've been long recognized as the leader for sports polling. I don't really care what either poll has to say, though. The "favorite" question is inherently flawed for gauging fan interest (or interest in anything). You could poll 10 people about their favorite food, 5 will say hamburgers, 4 pizza, and 1 Fois Gras, but anyone with a brain would know that Fois Grais wouldn't be the 3rd most popular food among that group. Also, anyone can say anything on a poll, and we should've learned by now not to credulously trust polls after the 2016 election debacle. Follow the ratings here. Soccer has relatively poor ratings (aside from the illegal immigrant league).

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    soccer one of americas fav sports... lmao! ZzZzZz

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    sons if beisball is so big in the united states then why y'all boys can't consistently beat the giants of japan and cuba tbh?

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    sons if beisball is so big in the united states then why y'all boys can't consistently beat the giants of japan and cuba tbh?
    We beat Japan in the WBC. Cuba? They've never won a tournament in which professional players from non-commie countries are allowed to compete. They send their "amateur professionals" and win irrelevant like the Baseball World Cup, beating up amateurs, like the Soviets used to do in Ice Hockey.

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    We beat Japan in the WBC. Cuba? They've never won a tournament in which professional players from non-commie countries are allowed to compete. They send their "amateur professionals" and win irrelevant like the Baseball World Cup, beating up amateurs, like the Soviets used to do in Ice Hockey.
    so because you got your pushed in the official tournament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_World_Cup you decided to bribe everybody and make a 2nd tournament, this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Baseball_Classic
    yet in both of them you are 2nd, and NOBODY gives a about it. Literally 2nd to the athletes of Japan / Puerto Rico

    you didn't send pro players because you knew it was pointless tbh, in merika nobody cares about merika, these monkeys care more about what hood they came out from ... tell you all you need to know

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    sons if beisball is so big in the united states then why y'all boys can't consistently beat the giants of japan and cuba tbh?
    Because all the "World Class" Athletes we have don't play these boring ass sports. How many times must I tell you guys.....the average American 15 year old kid who has all-world talent wants to play Basketball or Football.

    Nobody gives a about beisbol or DoublehandjobBall.

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    sons if beisball is so big in the united states then why y'all boys can't consistently beat the giants of japan and cuba tbh?
    The majority of the top players don't play in these tournaments because they occur during Spring Training and most players care about getting ready for the regular season. I was surprised the USA won last time.

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    Because all the "World Class" Athletes we have don't play these boring ass sports. How many times must I tell you guys.....the average American 15 year old kid who has all-world talent wants to play Basketball or Football.

    Nobody gives a about beisbol or DoublehandjobBall.
    Not in the south. More people care about baseball than basketball. And baseball is still watched on a regional/local level compared to the NBA. Majority of cities care more about their baseball team than with their NBA team.

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    Not in the south. More people care about baseball than basketball. And baseball is still watched on a regional/local level compared to the NBA. Majority of cities care more about their baseball team than with their NBA team.
    Hold the phone. You're talking about "watching" the games. Those people don't put on uniforms and contribute to the game. Most of those guys who watch beisbol are 55-60 years old.

    I'm talking about the black kid who runs a 4.50 at 17 years old. He doesn't want to play beisbol. He wants to be a DB or WR in the NFL. Who cares that a bunch of old white guys watch the games on TV?

    We're talking about two different things.

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    Because all the "World Class" Athletes we have don't play these boring ass sports. How many times must I tell you guys.....the average American 15 year old kid who has all-world talent wants to play Basketball or Football.

    Nobody gives a about beisbol or DoublehandjobBall.
    Average 60 yard dash time for MLB players is on par with with the average 40 times in the NFL (when converting the times and adjusting for increased speed). Average MLB vertical is 28", identical to the average vert of NBA players. You will not succeed as a middle infielder/outfielder in the MLB with anything short of world class athleticism. Swinging a bat is a more explosive core abdominal action than anything you'll see in basketball and football outside of tackling.

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    Hold the phone. You're talking about "watching" the games. Those people don't put on uniforms and contribute to the game. Most of those guys who watch beisbol are 55-60 years old.

    I'm talking about the black kid who runs a 4.50 at 17 years old. He doesn't want to play beisbol. He wants to be a DB or WR in the NFL. Who cares that a bunch of old white guys watch the games on TV?

    We're talking about two different things.
    The decline of baseball in the black community has more to do with the emergence of pay-for-play travelling teams (that only suburban whites can afford) that killed Little League baseball in the urban community than any inherent "inferiority" as baseball as a fun sport compared to football and basketball. For generations, blacks chose baseball over other sports, even as recently as the 80's (so we can't make the excuse that it was because the NFL and NBA haven't "arrived yet.")

    That said, it also depends on the psychology of the person. I found football fun on offense, but painfully boring on defense (I played RB, CB when I was younger and undersized nose-guard in high school. Defense is boring is because there's nothing particularly skillful to execute. It's pure effort and athleticism most of the time). And playing any position beside QB, you feel like a cog-in-a-machine who has to march in lockstep with what the coaching staffs demands each and every play. In baseball, you are the QB of your "own offense," regardless if you're in the heart of the lineup or at the bottom, and each player gets roughly the same amount of offensive attempts. Basketball is more individualistic, but can also have that cog feel if you're not one of the team's stars.

    Basically, people with a more individualistic mentally will find baseball "more fun."

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